[tomder55]

This for a start

Gay Biology teacher speaks out against transformer mutilations.

WATCH: California biology teacher speaks out against transgender ideology | National Report - YouTube

[Wondergirl]

There are people who believe they are cats and have plastic surgery done in order to have some resemblance to a cat face. There are thin people who are convinced they are too fat and will literally starve themselves to death. There are beautiful women who are convinced they are ugly. There are people who are convinced someone is out to kill them when, in fact, that is not the case. There are schoolchildren coming to school who are convinced they are cats and will purr in class. The person in the video below is convinced he is a...wolf. The great common denominator is that they, along with the trans community, are convinced that something is true when it is actually not. So all you can say is that you know some people who were, and are, in a state of deception.

When you try to say that some people with vaginas are men, then you join that community of deceived people.

Eddicate yerself a bit!

[jlisenbe]

Eddicate yerself a bit!

Try giving an intelligent, informed answer rather than this ridiculous nonsense. I'll post my reply again to give you a second chance. There will be no third opportunity.

There are people who believe they are cats and have plastic surgery done in order to have some resemblance to a cat face. There are thin people who are convinced they are too fat and will literally starve themselves to death. There are beautiful women who are convinced they are ugly. There are people who are convinced someone is out to kill them when, in fact, that is not the case. There are schoolchildren coming to school who are convinced they are cats and will purr in class. The person in the video below is convinced he is a...wolf. The great common denominator is that they, along with the trans community, are convinced that something is true when it is actually not. So all you can say is that you know some people who were, and are, in a state of deception.

When you try to say that some people with vaginas are men, then you join that community of deceived people.

Before and after photos of one example.

[jlisenbe]

Gay Biology teacher speaks out against transformer mutilations.

The guy was evidently suspended for his remarks. How have we reached the point where a teacher is suspended for saying that females are females and males are males?

[Wondergirl]

Try giving an intelligent, informed answer rather than this ridiculous nonsense. I'll post my reply again to give you a second chance. There will be no third opportunity.

One transgender woman friend's experience --

1. Therapist. Begin full time presentation 24/7/365
2. Initiate name change, restroom letter.
3. Therapy until HRT letter
4. Endocrinology appointment, prescribes meds.
5. Get meds at pharmacy
6. Continue therapy six months after start of Hormones. Can be rough. (Psychiatrist writes letter of mental readiness?)
7. Prepare for surgery.
8. Two letters from non-affiliated therapists, one at PhD level. Surgery is serious. Two opinions required before surgery. Verification that surgery is right for that person. Make sure there is no underlying issue that could be made worse if surgery is too soon.
9. Surgeries
10. Gender changes. Depends on state policy
11. Update birth certificate, if possible.

Live life. Then of course new legal name on driver's license, banks, insurance, etc. Name can be whatever you want. No one is required to change.

Indicating one has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and should be allowed to use restroom of target gender. Insurance type letter stating legal reason to be there. One of the thing the restroom zealots are not aware of. We carry the letter 24/7/365. Rapists and molesters will not have said letter. No sex drive with hormones.

A high level of Estrogen in my blood and lack of some male characteristics. I have no Adams apple, never had much body hair, have always had feminine facial features, etc

I didn't fully masculinize in the womb.

Chromosome check was expensive, but it helped me transition quicker.

When did I get a DNA check? 2001. It's not essential, just another sign of dysphoria

I knew at age 7. Just couldn't do anything about it until transitioning became legal here.

No, it's not a choice. You do have to be evaluated though. Someone who says they are trans will react badly to HRT if they are just playing. They freak because they have a male mind that can't handle estrogen. Genetically I am 50% male/ 50% female. That's the 47 XXY. Yes. I am a member of the smallest minority section of trans people.

[jlisenbe]

Wow. One whole person’s experience?

Anecdotal stories prove absolutely nothing.

You have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.

[Wondergirl]

Wow. One whole person’s experience?

Anecdotal stories prove absolutely nothing.

You has have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.

Google for more info. Talk honestly with a doctor. Her experience was very true and she acted correctly (was in her 40s) and did exactly what should be done -- counseling first. It took her five years to go thru this.

I do not agree with puberty blockers for kids and starting too early. Counseling, yes == especially regarding how to deal with bullying and mean teasing (by kids, family members, etc.).

[Wondergirl]

You have a genetic abnormality. That is not true of TG people.

What's true?

Her mother was given estrogen etc. during her pregnancy because the doctor feared a miscarriage. DES was administered to risky cases from the '30s until the '70s. Lots of cases were unresolved, thus the spate of women now transitioning..

[jlisenbe]

Google for more info. Talk honestly with a doctor.

Just the usual "I have no support for my pov, so please see if you can find something." No, you need to find your own material.

What's true??? Your DES nonsense has been shown to be false so many times that you are bordering on lying now, but I'll post this one more final time. Women transitioning now because of DES usage would be at least fifty years old since that was stopped in 1971. Anyone younger than that age which is, of course, the vast majority of cases, cannot appeal to that. So please stop letting that be your "go to" data since you have seen repeatedly how foolish it is. Even worse, there is no evidence that DES causes gender dysphoria. DES was stopped because it seemed to have a connection with cancer. The link below will validate what I have said. If you continue using this fake news after today, now that the truth is readily available to you, then you will be open to the accusation of lying, or at the very least having a "fast and loose" association with the truth.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-p...%20in%20humans.

[Wondergirl]

Just the usual "I have no support for my pov, so please see if you can find something." No, you need to find your own material.

I have, even a personal journey by a trans woman.

What's true??? Your DES nonsense

https://rscbayarea.com/learn/male-infertility/des

Some researchers have been studying the brains of MTF and FTM trans men and women using Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) and other measuring techniques. They have found that transgender persons have internal structures between their brain’s two hemispheres that match their current identified gender, not their birth-identified sex. Other researchers test the reactions of transgender persons’ brains to chemicals and sounds. They also find that their brains’ reactions match those of cisgender persons who share their gender identity. So, when a trans person refers to themselves as having “a female brain in a male body,” or vice-versa, their statement is factually true.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religi...s-transgender/

[jlisenbe]

My heartiest congratulations on your posting links to two articles, neither of which gave a single shred of support for your now discounted DES theory.

As to the MRI research one of the articles discussed, there might be something there, but it's terribly suspicious that this link (researchers have been studying ) turns out to be a link to nowhere. But since your absurd DES theory has been completely and totally discredited, perhaps we can proceed on in a more promising direction.

This is the first HUGE concern I have about your MRI article. There has been a significant amount of research showing that there are no significant differences between male and female brains. Oh well.

A new study dispels the myths that there’s anything fundamentally different about men's and women’s brains. In fact, most people have some sort of mix of brain features typically categorized as “male” or “female,” researchers from Israel, Germany, and Switzerland found.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...ns-study-finds

[Wondergirl]

The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses. No, we're not all pure male or female. Except, apparently, you are a pure male.

[Wondergirl]

From Quora:

Are there any transgender animals?

When we associate trans and gender we are talking about social behaviors that are more inline with the opposite biological sex. This can apply to any species.

Take a look at the two famous male chinstrap penguins, Roy and Silo, born 1987 in New York City’s Central Park Zoo.

They were noted by staff at the zoo in 1998 to be performing mating rituals, and one of them in 1999 attempted to hatch a rock as if it were an egg. This inspired zoo keepers to give them an egg from a pair of penguins, which could not hatch it, resulting in both of them raising a chick that was named Tango.

Tango herself was viewed in a similar situation with another female penguin. Roy and Silo drifted apart after several years, and in 2005, Silo paired with a female penguin called Scrappy. Roy and Silo's story has been made into a children’s book and featured in a play. The practice of allowing pairs of male penguin couples to adopt eggs has been repeated in other zoos around the world. Both Tango and Roy have since died.

I have a good friend who has been a farmer all of her life. Here is something she personally shared with me about living on a farm you might find interesting.

I believe I was given the privilege to grow up on a farm and to be surrounded by God’s creation-nature. You can’t help but see a pattern in which things work. Honestly, wouldn’t a God of loving kindness also create us to be able to perform within this pattern and the very roles and task at hand? Yet one would see at times that didn’t always happen. For instance, probably the thing that stood out the most was at the time of birth. Though I saw it in all forms of different life/animals. I will use cows since we had a lot of them. I was always fascinated how the cow that gave birth just knew how to take care of the new born. I believe we as humans have the same ability to be able to do these things. I think sometimes we may over think and worry about things instead of trusting what God has given us, yet every so often, we would have a cow that didn’t know how to do that. This cow often times acted more like a male cow. So often we would have to bottle feed the little calf or if we were fortunate, another cow would accept this calf as their own.

I am a post-op transgender woman and want to make one thing very clear, not all trans people are alike. Unfortunately, there are some who seem to be more into sexual fetishes, such as clothes. I only cross-dressed a few time in my youth when I was struggling with severe gender dysphoria and even then in private. My conflict actually led me to try and end my life twice just during my teenage years. All the time never understand why I felt the way I did. My identity has always been female although I was born male. My natural instincts have always been toward mothering. Even as a small child having and caring for a baby was ingrained in my heart. Children often dream of what they will be when they grow up. Some believe they will be a astronaut, while others a doctor or teacher. My dream was to be a mother.

Because I was born long before the word trans was even coined I was raised to believe that I had to conform to male expectations, yet I always knew who I was on the inside. What’s more other people saw it even when I was trying so hard to fit in with other boys. Boys avoided me because I didn’t think or play like them. In fact, I was even sexually assaulted at the age of 14, in the boys locker room at school, while only trying to live and present as male. I was not gay, but other boys saw me as female and just assumed I was. I was not attracted to men, at least as a man. What’s more I was not attracted to women, but because I wanted so badly to have children I married someone, who although presented female, didn’t not have the same nurturing instincts as I did. We had two sons and eventually split up because she started abusing them as small children. I took full custody of them at a very early age and raised them as a single parent until adulthood. The last words she spoke to me as I walked out the door with our children was, “Well you got you wish, you always wanted to be the mother.” I never tried to imply this all throughout our marriage, but she saw it.

I never understood what trans was until I broke down and went to a psychologist for help. My depression and dysphoria had gotten so bad that all I could think about was dying. When they told me what it meant to be born trans it was like a light went on in my head and I knew instantly this had been my problem all my life. When they told me the only known cure was to transition I was not excited, I was terrified. All my life I had struggled to be a man and had become very successful. To transition meant sacrificing all that I had worked so hard to build, yet I knew deep in my heart I had to try. I couldn’t go on living with my disparity. So I came out and started my transition. People were shocked. They saw the real me for the first time. People would ask me, ”How did you ever live as a man, you are so much girl on the inside?” It was like a flood gate opened up and all of me poured out. Even thought, my body was damaged by male puberty, no one questions my being a woman. Because who I am is in my heart. Did my transition change the way I think? Not in the least! I am still the same person I was before. The only difference is now I am just living as who I have always been on the inside.

It saddens me that trans has become so controversial, thanks to pridefully self-righteous people, both cis and trans. I’m not trying to upend or corrupt society, I am just living my life as the woman I have always been in my heart. I have my sons who are growing now and five adorable grandchildren who love me as the women I have always been.

I don’t walk in pride, and am a humble person who loves God and my neighbor as myself. My being trans in a way has helped a lot of people who struggle with relationships by helping them understand the struggles that are unique to both males and females.

[jlisenbe]

The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses. No, we're not all pure male or female. Except, apparently, you are a pure male.

There is no shred of evidence to support any of that. It has all been completely debunked by anyone who has any concern at all for the truth. That does not seem to include you.

As to the article you posted, it unsurprisingly contains not a single word about DES. It is nothing more than a series of recollections by a person plainly biased towards the TG position. Now there might be some biological connection to the TG situation, but you have so far failed to find it, and I doubt that you will. We'll see, but appealing to the occasional peculiar behaviors of animals is as silly as saying we should eat each other because, after all, that's what they do in the animal kingdom.

[Wondergirl]

Why is the lgbtq+ community so scary to you?

[jlisenbe]

They scare me not at all.

Why is the truth so scary to you?

[Wondergirl]

Then why do you want to control them?

What truth?

[jlisenbe]

I have no desire to control them at all.

What truth? The truth you consistently run from. For example, you continually put forward the fable of DES causing transgenderism (most recently with, "The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses.") despite the fact that the widespread use of DES stopped more than fifty years ago, thus making it impossible for that to account for the current tidal wave of TG cases in children and teens. This has been shown to you many times, but you ignore that because it is inconvenient for your narrative. So you apparently have no real regard for the truth at all, and when confronted with that, you respond with meaningless remarks such as, "What truth?" I have no doubt you have spread that absolute lie as far and wide as you can, and yet you know it cannot be true.

[Wondergirl]

They scare me not at all.

Then why do you want to control them?

Why is the truth so scary to you?

What truth?

[jlisenbe]

Please open your eyes and read. Both ridiculous comments have already been answered.

I have no desire to control them at all.

What truth? The truth you consistently run from. For example, you continually put forward the fable of DES causing transgenderism (most recently with, "The DES (estrogen) and sometimes estrogen from mom soaked into the male brains when they were fetuses.") despite the fact that the widespread use of DES stopped more than fifty years ago, thus making it impossible for that to account for the current tidal wave of TG cases in children and teens. This has been shown to you many times, but you ignore that because it is inconvenient for your narrative. So you apparently have no real regard for the truth at all, and when confronted with that, you respond with meaningless remarks such as, "What truth?" I have no doubt you have spread that absolute lie as far and wide as you can, and yet you know it cannot be true.

Yawn...