[talaniman]

The virus knows no moral high ground, nor care about your great economy. Just finding hosts on which to feed and grow. Babies can die, and have, the young can die, and have. The old can die, and have. Workers can die, and have. What does moral high ground have to do with that?

[jlisenbe]

Nothing except that when you point fingers at those who are rightly (my view) concerned about the destruction of our economy and accuse us of being uncaring, and then exhibit no concern at all for over 900,000 human deaths every year, then it raises legitimate questions. If you are really so concerned about lives, then where have you been all these years?

[talaniman]

I have criticized the response and execution of this administration around this pandemic but it's you throwing all the ills of society in the mix. This economy has bounced back throughout history, so what makes you think it won't comeback from this challenge as well?

For sure this virus won't go away until there is a cure or treatment, and if you think the economy can grow and thrive while the virus is very active and growing, that makes no sense.

[jlisenbe]

1. Of course you have criticized this admin. It's because, it sure seems, that you are more motivated by political considerations than by any real morality.

2. The economy "bounced back" from the Great Depresssion. If you want to read about great suffering, then read about that, and then think if we really need to be running the risk of doing that again.

3. I do believe the economy can pick back up while we still exhibit common sense about this virus, but it will take come courage.

[Athos]

1. Of course you have criticized this admin. It's because, it sure seems, that you are more motivated by political considerations than by any real morality.

Spoken by the board's "Holy Joe". Who are you to criticize anyone's morality?

The economy "bounced back" from the Great Depression. If you want to read about great suffering, then read about that, and then think if we really need to be running the risk of doing that again.

Life expectancy increased by 6 years during the Great Depression. Mortality decreased in every category except for suicide. No Americans starved during the GD. This time unemployment is being dealt with in many ways by the government, many businesses, and various other organizations.

As Tal says, you put the economy ahead of human suffering.

I do believe the economy can pick back up while we still exhibit common sense about this virus, but it will take come courage.

Common sense is being applied now to the present crisis. It is the wackos ( a tiny percentage) with their guns and swastikas on the state house steps that are failing to show a modicum of common sense.

The American people are overwhelmingly against those nuts.

[jlisenbe]

Spoken by the board's "Holy Joe". Who are you to criticize anyone's morality?

Just go back and look at your Aquinas post if you want to see immorality at work. Sorry, but your credibility is shot.

Life expectancy increased by 6 years during the Great Depression. Mortality decreased in every category except for suicide. No Americans starved during the GD. This time unemployment is being dealt with in many ways by the government, many businesses, and various other organizations.

Yeah, those were really the "good ole days." Unemployment above 20%. Wages falling from one year to the next. Negative GDP growth for four consecutive years, but it was a great time!

As to unemployment being "dealt with" by the feds, it is interesting to note that the debt to GDP ratio in 1929 was 16%, so the feds were in a much better position to increase federal debt and did so. Now, thanks to the collective genius of both Obama and Trump, the ratio is 110% and climbing even more, so it can be argued that this being "dealt with" with TONS of borrowed money is going to come back and bite us. Your plan of just shutting down the economy, closing our eyes, and singing "Happy Days are Here Again" does not strike me as sensible. There are much better ideas developing out there.

As Tal says, you put the economy ahead of human suffering.

And where are you on those 900,000 abortions a year that you never bring up? That's the phoniness of your position. You stand idly by while unborn babies are killed because you can't be troubled about that. It doesn't fit your political agenda.

It is the wackos ( a tiny percentage) with their guns and swastikas on the state house steps that are failing to show a modicum of common sense.

I would agree with that. I think most people on both sides would. It is beyond amazing that Michigan would allow those nuts in their Statehouse.

[Athos]

Just go back and look at your Aquinas post if you want to see immorality at work. Sorry, but your credibility is shot.

You just can't get past that, can you? Even tho it's been explained to you three or four times as you keep insisting. When you refuse to believe the facts, and charge others with immorality, who's the Holy Joe? Who has no credibility?

Your plan of just shutting down the economy, closing our eyes, and singing "Happy Days are Here Again" does not strike me as sensible.

For a Holy Joe telling others how they think, you have no compunction about lying, do you? Your habit of putting words in my mouth continues unabated. Are you never ashamed of doing that, being such a holy Christian and all

And where are you on those 900,000 abortions a year that you never bring up?

NEVER BRING UP?!!? Now you moralize about something I NEVER BRING UP??

Your stupidity is breathtaking.

[jlisenbe]

You just can't get past that, can you? Even tho it's been explained to you three or four times as you keep insisting. When you refuse to believe the facts, and charge others with immorality, who's the Holy Joe? Who has no credibility?

It's not the guy who gave half the quote that he knew favored his position, and left out the other half that he know destroyed his position.

For a Holy Joe telling others how they think, you have no compunction about lying, do you? Your habit of putting words in my mouth continues unabated. Are you never ashamed of doing that, being such a holy Christian and all.

I put no words in your mouth as there was no quote. Remember that conversation? At any rate, it was my characterization of your position. I think it's fairly accurate.

NEVER BRING UP?!!? Now you moralize about something I NEVER BRING UP??

Well...yeah. Kind of obvious.

Your stupidity is breathtaking.

I can always tell when you have run out of arguments and data. That's when the name calling begins.

[jlisenbe]

Referring to the Aquinas quote, this is your reply when what appeared for all the world to be dishonesty from you was pointed out. "Augustine/Plato starts off the Middle Ages and Aquinas/Aristotle is the culmination. (BTW, a flatly incorrect statement. J.L.) Aquinas wrote tons of words and I stand by my interpretation of what he wrote. Like the Bible, there is so much there that the tendency to cherry-pick is never far away. For that reason, I suggest we drop Aquinas as getting too far from the topic at hand."

Note that there was nothing about how the Catholics forced him to amend his writings. That was a later plea. You just simply said that I had it wrong and you had it right. So no, I don't buy your answer now.

Remember that I save many of your posts since they are good for others to see and learn from as regards the defense of the faith and not trusting everything another person says.

And while that might sound mean, it is not intended to be. It is intended to be honest.

[Athos]

Referring to the Aquinas quote, this is your reply when what appeared for all the world to be dishonesty from you was pointed out. "Augustine/Plato starts off the Middle Ages and Aquinas/Aristotle is the culmination. (BTW, a flatly incorrect statement. J.L.) Aquinas wrote tons of words and I stand by my interpretation of what he wrote.

I still stand by it. Nothing you said changes my opinion. Btw, you clearly do not understand the Augustine/Plato- Aquinas/Aristotle comment. No explanation will be forthcoming from me - you'll have to look that one up yourself which I'm certain you will never do.

Note that there was nothing about how the Catholics forced him to amend his writings.

Yes, there was - that is exactly what I said![/QUOTE]

That was a later plea.

Also said by me.

I save many of your posts ... not trusting anything the other person says.

I save none of yours.

I had it wrong and you had it right. So no, I don't buy your answer now.

Your choice.


The name-calling is always, and I mean ALWAYS, a reaction to what you bring to this board.

[jlisenbe]

The name-calling is always, and I mean ALWAYS, a reaction to what you bring to this board.

I know. It's always someone else's fault. "He made me do it!! It's not my fault."

Yes, there was - that is exactly what I said!

You did...months and months later.

[talaniman]

Did you ever put forth what you think we should be doing about the economy and the virus?

[jlisenbe]

I liked what the guy in the video said. The virus is especially lethal to a fairly small minority of the population. There are, he said, four areas of concern. 1. age 2. hypertension. 3. obesity. 4. diabetes.

I have a friend who has three of those four problems, so people like that need to shelter in place. Everyone else should be looking at getting back to work ASAP. Sporting events? I'd say no for now. Church? In a wise manner, yes.

There is still plenty of room for discussion, but we are looking at economic disaster in a matter of months if we don't do something now.

This is the information he was relying on.

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/pol...es/2959183001/

[Wondergirl]

Plus COPD and other lung diseases/conditions, and autoimmune situations (anemia of various kinds, lupus, MS, etc.).

That video is about a month old.

[jlisenbe]

Plus COPD and other lung diseases/conditions, and autoimmune situations (anemia of various kinds, lupus, MS, etc.).

No doubt that is all true.

That video is about a month old.

How do you figure that?

[Wondergirl]

No doubt that is all true.

Yes. I'm one of those several times over.

How do you figure that?

JOSEPH SPECTOR | NEW YORK STATE TEAM Updated 3:16 p.m. CDT Apr. 7, 2020

[jlisenbe]

JOSEPH SPECTOR | NEW YORK STATE TEAM Updated 3:16 p.m. CDT Apr. 7, 2020

I'm still not with you. The video I linked, which I did not see on your link, was dated 4/24 and the column he referenced was published 4/22.

Yes. I'm one of those several times over.

I'm doing fairly well to be 67. Blood pressure requires meds and acid reflux is an issue, but all in all, I am grateful. Now I walk out to my shop and then have to stand there a minute or two to remember what I was supposed to get.

[jlisenbe]

[talaniman]

Who opens the store in the middle of a disaster?

[jlisenbe]

There are, and have been, many stores open. Why should Walmart be open but local stores be closed?