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excon · Aug 30, 2013, 08:32 AM

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm curious where he thinks he gets that kind of authority?

It's called prosecutorial discretion.. Prosecutors do it ALL the time, from deciding WHETHER to charge, WHICH charges to bring, whether a plea should be negotiated, and/or how much time should be recommend...

Cops on the street do it ALL the time when they decide WHICH ticket to write, or whether one should be written at all. I'll bet LOTS of local cops have discarded marijuana they found on somebody instead of charging them...

Holder is the TOP cop in the land. Why would you think EVERYBODY under him has that authority, but he doesn't??

Makes NO sense to me.. Of course, I don't read Drudge or WND.

Excon

smoothy · Aug 30, 2013, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
It's called prosecutorial discretion.. Prosecutors do it ALL the time, from deciding WHETHER to charge, WHICH charges to bring, whether a plea should be negotiated, and/or how much time should be recommend...

Cops on the street do it ALL the time when they decide WHICH ticket to write, or whether one should be written at all. I'll bet LOTS of local cops have discarded marijuana they found on somebody instead of charging them...

Holder is the TOP cop in the land. Why would you think EVERYBODY under him has that authority, but he doesn't???

Makes NO sense to me.. Of course, I don't read Drudge or WND.

excon

Naw... you just don't get to declare a broad class of laws null and void by decree... if you don't like them you get them repealed... Eric Holder isn't a lawmaker... and he isn't even capable of doing his job enforcing them...

After all he decided he was entitled to arm the Mexican drug cartels... we haven't forgotten about that... and we won't until justicve is served... Obama can't protect him forever... and Obama can't pardon him for a crime he has yet to be charged with.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2013, 08:43 AM

People still read Drudge?

talaniman · Aug 30, 2013, 08:47 AM

The biggest impact on Holders policy changes is that it will allow the banks to work with pot shops and now Ex can use his credit card to buy dope. Which is a paper trail that can be followed. Be cautious Ex, Obama and Holder won't be there forever despite the wing nuts saying he will.

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.

smoothy · Aug 30, 2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

The biggest impact on Holders policy changes is that it will allow the banks to work with pot shops and now Ex can use his credit card to buy dope. Which is a paper trail that can be followed. Be cautious Ex, Obama and Holder won't be there forever despite the wing nuts saying he will.

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.

YOU can be and many are charged with Driving under the influence... even with prescription drugs... if they decide it imparied your judgement and contributed to an accident... even legal prescribed drugs will get you in serious trouble.

It just doesn't make the news as often as a drunk will.

excon · Aug 30, 2013, 09:00 AM

Hello again, tal:

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.

My morning paper said that the INTENT of the state is to WIPE OUT the black market... But, with the amount of taxes they're levying, it's clear that they want to be dope DEALERS too.

If they REALLY wanted to undercut the black market, they'd sell it for LESS than you could buy it from your connection... But, they want to make the scratch too.

The driving while loaded is going to be a problem. The ONLY way to convict somebody of it, is to draw blood, and the cop on the street can't DO that. Would it be legal for a cop to KEEP somebody there while a medical team was dispatched? ARE there enough mobile medical teams to cover the state? How much would these on the spot medical teams cost? Does a warrant have to be obtained before they can draw blood?

In my view, the law was written to pass - NOT to work.

Excon

talaniman · Aug 30, 2013, 09:10 AM

There is no legal standard for what's allowed in your system, and to safely operate a motor vehicle, but you can be taken to jail where a guy with a needle is waiting for you with a warrant from a "friendly" judge.

Trust me wingers have no problem inventing ways to get around the law they don't like.

Voting rights, gun control, abortion, public education, you name it. Hell they can make a big deal over a wedding cake. I have seen them do it. Many, many, many times. Watch your back, CYA.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

There is no legal standard for what's allowed in your system, and to safely operate a motor vehicle, but you can be taken to jail where a guy with a needle is waiting for you with a warrant from a "friendly" judge.

Trust me wingers have no problem inventing ways to get around the law they don't like.

Again, the irony... have you paid any attention to what the administration has been doing?

talaniman · Aug 30, 2013, 11:54 AM

I have watched many administrations and how they do things. I have watched how the right has done things too. The irony I see is how you deny it.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2013, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I have watched many administrations and how they do things. I have watched how the right has done things too. The irony I see is how you deny it.

You crack me up. You don't even need us here my friend, it's easy to win an argument when you cover both sides of it all by yourself.

excon · Sep 19, 2013, 09:20 AM

Hello again,

I Am Here To Ask That We Begin The End Of Mandatory Minimum Sentencing

Would you listen to this libtard? He quotes the ACLU for crying out loud. He must be a commie.

If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago. Yet today a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. The war on drugs has disproportionately affected young black males. The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times more likely to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of the people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.

OMG! This guy must work for Al Sharpton. Why doesn't he understand, what YOU understand about black people??

But wait... It's Rand Paul, the LEADING GOP candidate for president of the United States. OMG! He sounds exactly like ME.

Excon

smoothy · Sep 19, 2013, 10:15 AM

Exactly where did the Justice department get the constitutional right to arbitarily write its own laws?

SO Obama really IS a dictator after all... and the Congress and Senate have no power?

excon · Sep 19, 2013, 10:27 AM

Hello again, smoothy:

Exactly where did the Justice department get the constitutional right to arbitarily write its own laws?

I thought you FOR ONLY prosecuting dealers and NOT consumers... Do you want me to find the thread?

That's NOT federal law. Federal law says, that if you POSSESS it, you should be TRIED for it. Why do you think prosecutors should violate federal law to meet YOUR standards? Apparently, you think they DO have the right to change federal law, as long as they do it YOUR WAY.

We've had this discussion before.. You didn't get your hypocrisy then, and I'm sure you'll miss it this time too. But, that's NOT going to stop me from pointing it out.

Excon

smoothy · Sep 19, 2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
I thought you FOR ONLY prosecuting dealers and NOT consumers... Do you want me to find the thread?

That's NOT federal law. Federal law says, that if you POSSESS it, you should be TRIED for it. Why do you think prosecutors should violate federal law to meet YOUR standards?? Apparently, you think they DO have the right to change federal law, as long as they do it YOUR WAY.

We've had this discussion before.. You didn't get your hypocrisy then, and I'm sure you'll miss it this time too. But, that's NOT gonna stop me from pointing it out.

excon

I believe they are obligated to follow the law as its written... and signed.

And if they don't have to... then we can legally ignore Obamacare as well... a law is a law after all... if you can ignore one you can ignore any of them.

excon · Sep 19, 2013, 10:35 AM

Hello again, smoothy:

For a guy who knows EVERYTHING, how come you don't know that EVERY prosecutor on EVERY case, in EVERY courthouse in the land, uses mass amounts of what's called prosecutorial discretion?? Every PLEA agreement is the result of prosecutorial discretion, and 90% of the criminal cases are handled by a plea deal..

Nahhhh.. You know that... You just don't want them to use it on DRUG cases, because for some reason you have a hard on for drugs... Or, you oppose it WITHOUT giving it any thought, simply because Eric Holder is doing it.. That, I suspect is the case.

I guess pleading down a murder charge is cool with you.. I'm done. You're looking silly now.

excon

smoothy · Sep 19, 2013, 10:39 AM

Do you grasp the concept of what that really is? Apparently not. And apparently a lot of others don't either. Unless of course George Bush was doing it... THEN they would care.

And Eric Holder should be prosecuted for his violations of the law... and he still might be

talaniman · Sep 19, 2013, 10:44 AM

I bet as many republican think you're a nut as liberals do.

smoothy · Sep 19, 2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I bet as many republican think your a nut as liberals do.

Bet they don't... and I really don't give a damn what liberals think... they have bigger trouble dealing with reality anyway.

smoothy · Sep 19, 2013, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

For a guy who knows EVERYTHING, how come you don't know that EVERY prosecutor on EVERY case, in EVERY courthouse in the land, uses mass amounts of what's called prosecutorial discretion??? Every PLEA agreement is the result of prosecutorial discretion, and 90% of the criminal cases are handled by a plea deal..

Nahhhh.. You know that... You just don't want them to use it on DRUG cases, because for some reason you have a hard on for drugs... Or, you oppose it WITHOUT giving it any thought, simply because Eric Holder is doing it.. That, I suspect is the case.

I guess pleading down a murder charge is cool with you.. I'm done. You're looking silly now.

excon

You don't gasp the simple concept of what it means... so you go from one extreme to the other.

excon · Sep 19, 2013, 10:54 AM

Hello again, smoothy:

Do you grasp the concept of what that really is? Apparently not.

I don't know what you're talking about...

Apparently, you don't think ANY law enforcement official EVER has the right to use discretion. I don't think YOU grasp what that means... Truly. You don't think ANY cop should have the right to decide whether to give a motorist a ticket or not. If he observes a violation, he should give that person a TICKET no matter what...

You think EVERY criminal case should be tried and if found guilty, should be sentenced to the MAX...

Look.. I know you live in a fantasy world... But, even you can't believe any of that. There wouldn't be enough land to build all the prisons you'd need...

Nahhhh... You don't believe it. You ONLY say that because the people you HATE, more than death itself, are FOR it.

Excon