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 Originally Posted by talaniman
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Romney did well to identify a basic truth in the region. For as long as I can remember American leaders have tip-toed around this issue in the hope that the Palestinans would come around to a reasonable solution . I suggest that a little tough truth is needed . There is a simple solution to the problem... The Palestinians should look in the mirror and see where their faith in trust in their leaders have led them .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Your link doesn't work, nor does your history, or your truth. Or your candidate. |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
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Sorry Tal you will need to be more specific, are you drawing the analogy between the palestinians of the twenty first century and the jews of the twentieth century. WWII began because a despot dictator wanted to enforce his will on the peoples of Europe and while one motivation was for him to solve the "jewish question" it wasn't his sole motivation. Another motivation he has was what he called "living space", an option not open to either the Israeli or the palestinian. I'm sure the Israeli's would like to solve the "palestinian question" but it cannot be solved in the same way. Whether both parties like it or not the only real solution is integration, a solution offered by the Israeli's at the very beginning but rejected in favour of war. Occupation has been tried without success and until they can get rid of the radicals conflict will persist
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Seems the president agrees with Romney...
s Barack Obama Prejudiced Against Arabs?
Noah Pollak July 31, 2012 5:30 PM The press is having fun today amplifying the complaint of Palestinian "negotiator" Saeb Ereikat that comments Mitt Romney made in Jerusalem yesterday are "racist." What was Romney's offense? In the course of expressing amazement at Israel's economic miracle, he merely pointed out that cultural differences lead to differences in economic performance. In Romney's own words: "And as you come here and you see the GDP per capita for instance in Israel which is about 21,000 dollars [sic] and you compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority which is more like 10,000 dollars per capita [sic] you notice a dramatic, stark difference in economic vitality. And that is also between other countries that are near or next to each other. Chile and Ecuador, Mexico and the United States.. . there was a book written by a former Harvard professor [David Landes] named ‘The Wealth and Poverty of Nations.’... and he’s in his early 70s at this point, he says this, he says, if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it’s this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things." The funny thing is, there's another candidate for president who has also made this point, and in fact made it repeatedly over the past few years. That candidate is the current president, Barack Obama. In his famous 2009 “Speech to the Muslim World” in Cairo, he said: “But all of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the 21st century -- and in too many Muslim communities, there remains underinvestment in these areas.” He pointed out that "a woman who is denied an education is denied equality... And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well educated are far more likely to be prosperous." He added that he has "an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose...Governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure." Two years later, in another speech (this one on the Arab Spring), he told the U.S.-Islamic World Forum: "Throughout the region, many young people have a solid education, but closed economies leave them unable to find a job. Entrepreneurs are brimming with ideas, but corruption leaves them unable to profit from those ideas." Maybe Obama has read the same fine David Landes book that Romney cited – which discusses the importance to a healthy economy of women’s empowerment. Why might we think this? Because Obama said: "History shows that countries are more prosperous and more peaceful when women are empowered… The region will never reach its full potential when more than half of its population is prevented from achieving their full potential." Reading all this, one might even conclude that Obama has been quite a bit more critical of Arab societies than Romney has. One trusts it isn’t racist to point that out. |
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LOL, I like the way Obama said it and didn't point fingers and piss people off. He didn't pander to his base, by throwing them red meat.
He looked, spoke, and acted like a leader, Romney didn't. You could tell that by the cheering crowds where ever then Senator Obama went on his 8 country tour. So much for looking presidential on the world stage. |
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I don't know anyone that loves racist rhetoric so they must all be confined to your part of the state. The culture leads to the conditions, you can't get around it Tal. Nothing racist about it, it's reality, and it's exactly the kind of response you guys have that prevents anything from being done about it because you're so absorbed in not offending anyone - except conservatives and Christians - that you won't tell them the hard truth.
Like tom said, if the shoe fits, wear it. |
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