[speechlesstx]

Yes sir, It's just like the life of Julia - poor thing just can't make it without the government's help. Voter ID laws just might let the cat out of the bag that blacks aren't as helpless as their Democrat masters keep telling them they are.

[excon]

Right, so Artur Davis, noted black Democrat formerly representing Alabama's 7the district in the House, changed his mind and is now FOR Jim Crow laws.

Hello again, Steve:

I've admonished you before about bolstering your arguments with obscure people. In this internet age, you can find ANY nut willing to say ANY nutty thing..

From MY point of view, it doesn't bolster anything. Besides, you're from the south. Haven't you heard of plantation overseer's. They're black people who SUPPORTED Jim Crow laws during slavery. Why couldn't this guy be doing it now?

excon

[tomder55]

Artur Davis is now obscure and an uncle Tom.. I get it . That's what happens to any black person who doesn't toe the progressive line.

Here's the Wiki bio of obscure Art Davis
Artur Genestre Davis (born October 9, 1967) is a former Democratic Party member of the United States House of Representatives for Alabama's 7th congressional district, serving from 2003 to 2011. Davis was a candidate for Alabama's Democratic Gubernatorial Primary, 2010, but lost the Democratic primary to Ron Sparks. In December 2011, he left the Democratic party to become an independent, and he confirmed in May 2012 that he was considering running for Congress as a Republican.[1] In 2012 he became a visiting fellow at the Harvard Institute of Politics.

[excon]

That's what happens to any black person who doesn't toe the progressive line.

Hello again, tom:

You bring up people who vote against their own interests as proof that they're NOT voting against their own interests. I'm simply suggesting that they are.

excon

[speechlesstx]

BuzzFeed Editor Ben Smith said "Artur Davis's voice is a pretty meaningful one in this debate." He's right, he's not "obscure people."

P.S. I live in the Texas panhandle, there are no plantations.

P.P.S. Just admit, no amount of proof that you're wrong will convince you to keep your word and support voter ID laws.

[Wondergirl]

Why are voter ID laws needed?

[speechlesstx]

And again, back to square one. SMH...

[cdad]

Hello again, tom:

Nahhh. You distort. I've stated many times here, that I don't want anybody voting who doesn't have the RIGHT to vote.

In fact, All I've EVER asked for here, is EVIDENCE that people ARE voting who DON'T have the right to vote. However, you NEVER show any, because there ISN'T any.

Here's how it works in this great land of ours, FIRST off we notice that a crime has been committed. SECOND off, we make laws against it. What we DON'T do, is makeup that somebody is doing something, and make a law against it.

So, unless you present EVIDENCE that LAWS need to be passed to protect the integrity of the vote, it's clear that your intention is to suppress the vote.

excon

Here is some you might want to take a look at. From yesterdays headlines up until today's.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-von-spakovsky

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...ete_idiot.html

[Wondergirl]

Who is registering illegals?

[speechlesstx]

Another interesting note, Artur Davis was the guy who gave Obama's nominating speech at the 2008 Democratic convention. Now he's just an obscure Uncle Tom?

[tomder55]

Who is registering illegals?

One of the articles Cal links to provides the answer :

The weaknesses of the current registration system are to blame. First, in order to make registration easier, federal laws do not require proof of citizenship when registering, and states routinely offer registration to anyone getting a driver's license, regardless of citizenship. Moreover, federal agencies in charge of immigration and customs enforcement refuse to comply with a federal law that requires them to cooperate with election officials in checking the citizenship status of registered voters. Overall, this amounts to an “honor” system — expecting immigrants, including those who broke the law to come here, to obey the law.

And even if an illegal alien would normally follow the rules, federal law provides an incentive for him to register to vote: Voter-registration cards, obtainable after a limited or no identification check, can be used to verify legal work status. They can also help when it comes to drivers' licenses.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-von-spakovsky

[paraclete]

Sounds like a short path to citizenship, if you have a voter registration card who is going to question if you are a citizen?

[excon]

Hello again,

Steve talks about his vote not being canceled out by an illegal vote. I agree with him. Where I DISAGREE is in disenfranchising a HALF MILLION registered voters so he can feel good about his ONE vote.

That's what's happening in Pennsylvania. That's what this video confirms.

Rumor has it, that Roberts WANTS an opportunity to OVERTURN the provision in the Voters Rights Act of 1965 that protects minorities rights to vote. That'll suck.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You think because the media spins that "758,939 voters...could not be matched in state databases as having Pennsylvania driver's licenses" that a half million people are going to be denied their vote?

That's just one form of ID and tom has already shown there is no burden on voters to obtain an ID. I realize asking citizens to take responsibility for themselves is so passé, but face it, if some PA voter is prohibited from voting it's their own fault.

[tomder55]

The part of the Voting Rights Act that is currently going through the court system is Section 5 .Section 5 requires several southern states to get federal “pre-clearance” before they change any voting eligibility laws or voting requirements or procedures. It is a part of the act that needs Congressional renewal periodically .In 2006 it was extended for 25 years. . Why wasn't it a permanent part of the law ? Because the authors of the Voting Rights act envisioned a day when the section would not be needed.

The question then becomes ,is it still needed ? It has nothing to do with the voter id issue in PA
.
But it is worthy of discussion.
John Roberts in 'Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. One v. Holder' opined ,in the majority opinion that upheld the Voting Rights Act ,that Section 5 was of questionable Constitutionality . He warned Congress to fix it before another case reaches SCOTUS . (note he did not rewrite the law like he did with Obamacare ) .

The case in Kingston NC is an interesting case . The city approved by a huge 2:1 margin ,a referendum for a nonpartisan ballot .Party affiliation of the candidates would not be identified on the ballot . Sec 5 says that any change like that has to be approved by the DOJ . Last year, Holder refused to approve the referendum stating that “elimination of party affiliation on the ballot will likely reduce the ability of blacks to elect candidates of choice.” HUH ? To that I restate Metts : "I take exception to those who give credence to stereotypes about our alleged inability or limited intelligence to participate in the democratic process."
The problem here is not racial discrimination... it is progressive paternalism.

But it also is a tool of the Dems. Redistricting is used by the majority party in all states for political advantage . I consider myself a victim of redistricting .My district was eliminated and the Dems did a ridiculous gerrymander to add my town into a district 2 counties away. I could claim that there were racial factors that went into the decision. But I don't . NY of course does not have to have it's redistricting approved by the DOJ because we know that NY politicians would never use issues of race for their advantage. But States that are now challenging the Sec 5 provisions think that the time for the need of the provision are long gone ;and the Sec itself has always been unconstitutional under the 5th ,14th ,and 15th amendments .

[talaniman]

If indeed this was about fair elections and integrity, then the proper transition period would have been considered, and a fair thoughtful process would have been arranged to help those with difficulties or needs be guided through the process.

Not a big push to purge and obstruct voters from exercising their rights. Look I agree with EVERY American having an ID. Not just for voting but for all the modern transactions people do in modern day life. Including catching a bus to work.

But seeing as how the Bush election was so totally screwed up, and the fears of conservatives about what ifs, maybes, then this push to get a law in place in time for THIS election, just smells rotten. Like point shaving, except with the rights of people.

Given that PA repubs have admitted what their agenda is, as this is an old story, and they have been trying for two years to nullify PA voters, maybe accommodation, and education instead of obstacles would be in order.

Sometimes its not what you do, its how, and slow moving republicans who move very fast in one direction is nothing but fear, which they magnified in there own minds.

Why else would you as a lawmaker enact laws that years of research and data says that the probability of voter fraud is so low that the governor of PA never prosecuted one case when he was the states attorney?

The real agenda is clear for the conservatives, make any excuse to subvert the rights of others, and then blame them. Now maybe not ALL the conservatives are so scared of the changing world, but the ones that are make a lot of noise.

Sorry guys, but these shenanigans are going on in nearly every state that has gone red, on many issues across the board. That's a lot of effort to elect a guy who was like the last guy you sent to Washington, but on steroids. No wonder you exaggerate and lie about the guy we sent to the White House.

[tomder55]

If indeed this was about fair elections and integrity, then the proper transition period would have been considered, and a fair thoughtful process would have been arranged to help those with difficulties or needs be guided through the process.

Tal ,arrangements have been made as I've documented already. However ,you make a valid point with the transition period.

The rest of your rant is too ridiculous .

[NeedKarma]

The rest of your rant is too rediculous .

Proper Spelling of "Ridiculous"

[tomder55]

Glad you found something useful to do on these boards .

[NeedKarma]

Thanks man. I'm sure my 8661 rep score to your 1746 rep score means nothing. But try to put me down some more, that's how the 'right' seems to function with people of differing opinions.