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    #61

    May 29, 2012, 01:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Get the Asians to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want.
    Well that's about as racist as it gets.

    But let's continue your quote shall we?

    Douglas Almond and Lena Edlund of Columbia University identified these trends, including a male bias of 50% among third-order births, in U.S. populations of Chinese, Korean, and Asian-American heritage. “We interpret the found deviation in favor of sons to be evidence of sex selection, most likely at the prenatal stage,” they write.[2] This fact has prompted several U.S. states to ban sex selection abortion in their jurisdictions. These states include Illinois (2008), Pennsylvania (2008), Oklahoma (2010), and Arizona (2011).

    Worldwide Condemnation

    Cultural policies to deter sex selection abortion have been pursued by countries around the world for many years, and legislative bans have been adopted in many countries. Abortions for sex selection are illegal in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, India, the United Kingdom (which has banned sex selection abortion for “social reasons”), and Vietnam. While legislative action is not enough to undo centuries-long cultural biases, it has often proven to be the threshold step for galvanizing cultural reform.

    Public Support for Action

    Besides the legislation that has been enacted in diverse regions of the world, evidence exists that legislative bans on sex selection abortions have broad support. A March 2006 Zogby poll found that 86 percent of Americans believe that an abortion performed because of the sex of the developing child should be illegal. A LifeCanada poll conducted by Environics Research and released in October 2011 showed that an astonishing 92 percent of Canadians thought that sex selection abortions should not be legal in Canada.[3] To this can be added the new poll released on May 16, 2012 by the Charlotte Lozier Institute, which found that 77 percent of American adults (80 percent of women) would support making sex-selection abortion illegal when that is the sole reason for seeking an abortion.
    Seems you Canucks overwhelmingly agree with me that this actual war on women should be illegal, so let's address that instead of this manufactured war, eh?
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    May 29, 2012, 01:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Well that's about as racist as it gets.
    Why racist? Asians prefer male children for several reasons embedded in their culture. Just like American farmers used to prefer male children to help on the farm. Girls were fairly worthless except as cooks for the harvest and threshing crews--and to produce more sons.
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    May 29, 2012, 01:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Why racist? Asians prefer male children for several reasons embedded in their culture. Just like American farmers used to prefer male children to help on the farm. Girls were fairly worthless except as cooks for the the harvest and threshing crews--and to produce more sons.
    Funny how me and tom appear to be the only ones here that don't find girls "worthless" or disposable, but I digress.

    OK, imagine me saying get the Blacks to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want. Or get the Mexicans to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want. Is it racist now?
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    May 29, 2012, 01:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Funny how me and tom appear to be the only ones here that don't find girls "worthless" or disposable, but I digress.
    Apparently you aren't a soybean or wheat farmer seventy-five to a hundred years ago.
    OK, imagine me saying get the Blacks to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want. Or get the Mexicans to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want. Is it racist now?
    What do we want?
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    May 29, 2012, 02:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Apparently you aren't a soybean or wheat farmer seventy-five to a hundred years ago.
    I'm 51, so no. But my grandparents were and they had 10 kids, 6 girls (including my mom) and 4 boys. They didn't seem to worry about the girls being "fairly worthless."

    What do we want?
    I didn't ask that, I asked "Is it racist now?" Well?
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    May 29, 2012, 02:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I'm 51, so no. But my grandparents were and they had 10 kids, 6 girls (including my mom) and 4 boys. They didn't seem to worry about the girls being "fairly worthless."
    I betcha your grandpa would have preferred boys if he owned a farm. If he did own one, did the girls drive the tractor and do field work?
    I didn't ask that, I asked "Is it racist now?" Well?
    I didn't realize it was a racist thing before. Indians prefer sons. Do you know why?
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    May 29, 2012, 02:30 PM
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    I betcha your grandpa would have preferred boys if he owned a farm. If he did own one, did the girls drive the tractor and do field work?
    I believe I just said he was a farmer and didn't seem to worry about the girls being "fairly worthless." I don't know what all the girls did, I know my mom played basketball. So? I understand the preference for boys but you seem to be trying to distract from the point, which is where the actual war on women is taking place.

    I didn't realize it was a racist thing before. Indians prefer sons. Do you know why?
    I don't care why. All I know was based on the left's own standards NK's comment was as racist as it gets.
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    May 29, 2012, 02:37 PM
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    I don't care why. All I know was based on the left's own standards NK's comment was as racist as it gets.
    Well, you should care. Many first-generation Asians have brought their cultural and family values to this country and are trying to uphold them in the face of the personal freedom their children are otherwise experiencing. Sharia law is one of those brought-over values. Female genital mutilation is another. Asian boys don’t need the dowries that can cripple a family financially. Boys are supposed to stay home after marrying and help care for aging parents. Hinduism dictates that only boys can light their parents’ funeral pyres.
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    May 29, 2012, 02:51 PM
    Yeah and those cultural preference are gone in a generation ;just like most immigrant groups in the past ;their children love being American and all that implies.

    But the point is that PP was caught on tape speaking of the option to abort based on gender preference. I guess that comes under the pro-choice category ?
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    May 29, 2012, 02:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Well, you should care. Many first-generation Asians have brought their cultural and family values to this country and are trying to uphold them in the face of the personal freedom their children are otherwise experiencing. Sharia law is one of those brought-over values. Female genital mutilation is another. Asian boys don’t need the dowries that can cripple a family financially. Boys are supposed to stay home after marrying and help care for aging parents. Hinduism dictates that only boys can light their parents’ funeral pyres.
    Ah, glad you agree with me that certain cultural norms being imported to this country like Sharia law are a threat.

    Now about this war on women here, try to stop dancing around and tell us who should we be worried about, those aborting women for gender preference, union leaders smashing piñatas with Nikki Haley's face on them, porno rags photoshopping and publishing vulgar images of conservative women, a president who wants a country full of Julias dependent from cradle to grave or conservatives trying to give that baby girl a chance and empowering her to be a strong, independent woman?
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    May 29, 2012, 03:08 PM
    My beef is parents who don't know how to parent so that their kids don't get a good start before school, eat too much junk food, don't know how to write a thank-you note or even say the words, feel entitled about anything and everything, and don't know how to keep their clothes on once they turn 12. If you can fix the parents and how they parent, you're on your way to nirvana.
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    #72

    May 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't care why. All I know was based on the left's own standards NK's comment was as racist as it gets.
    How is it racist?
    Remember, I said : "Get the Asians to change their cultural values and you'll get what you want."
    So, is that your plan? To change what asian people do? Since they are the ones that are causing the statistics that you don't like.
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    May 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
    Nirvana right next door to utopia
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    May 29, 2012, 04:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Seems you Canucks overwhelmingly agree with me that this actual war on women should be illega
    Nope, that's not what the statistic says at all. You made sh!t up again.
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    May 29, 2012, 04:03 PM
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    Ah, glad you agree with me that certain cultural norms being imported to this country like Sharia law are a threat.
    OMG! Could you be any more racist!?
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    May 29, 2012, 05:13 PM
    So are we saying it is anti-female racism from the womb or more a preference of partiality of parents to their own children being born based on, which sex of a child will be more beneficial to the survival of the family? Not that I agree with all abortions and maybe we should revisit again and again what happens to many girls after they are born and even what happens to many young boys. I've heard it said from soldiers coming back from Saudi/Iraq when we were over there that the mindset among some of the rich and powerful over there is that, girls are for making babies and boys are for pleasure slaves. I'm only sharing what I've heard as perhaps some of you have heard the same. Information became available when we were there through intelligences and information gathering. And what is being done to the innocent in other countries including America with mainly white slavery of women and girls disappearances, especially being taken into foreign countries, never to be seen again though some have escaped. Yet governments keep too quiet about it all not to rock the political boat on a global scale. I'm a woman and I'm not so much concerned about my rights and privileges, but more about the future of young daughters worldwide, living and yet to be born.
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    May 30, 2012, 02:12 AM
    Ending the practice of sex selection gendercide/infanticide abortions should be something we all agree about. This is just one step closer to the eugenist's dreams come true .
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    May 30, 2012, 03:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Ending the practice of sex selection gendercide/infanticide abortions should be something we all agree about. This is just one step closer to the eugenist's dreams come true .
    So you are suggesting we end the war on men

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