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    #61

    Aug 16, 2011, 11:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Really...those are BS and not at all factual...why don['t you just post the White house propaganda.
    Hehe, coming from a guy who never posts facts but speaks solely in hyperbole. :p
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    #62

    Aug 16, 2011, 11:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hehe, coming from a guy who never posts facts but speaks solely in hyperbole. :p
    Really... you haven't quoted facts... you quoted propaganda from highly biased sources.
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    #63

    Aug 16, 2011, 11:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Really...you haven't quoted facts.....you quoted propaganda from highly biased sources.
    They quote their sources, fell free to check them. Let's see your facts from an unbiased source then.
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    #64

    Aug 16, 2011, 11:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They quote their sources, fell free to check them. Let's see your facts from an unbiased source then.
    NOTHING the New York Times prints is accurate or unbiased. The National Enquirer has a better reputation these days.

    They systematically avoided everything negative about Obama since he started his campaign... and in fact push propaganda at the expense of real stories.

    No wonder their circulation numbers are crap and falling. Who wants to pay to read propaganda... people want to see the news.
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    #65

    Aug 16, 2011, 12:00 PM
    So you can't furnish any facts whatsoever for your outlandish claims? This doesn't surprise me. It's all hyperbole no facts.
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    Aug 16, 2011, 12:27 PM

    I will give you a fact. Since the down grade, the yield on treasury bonds has gone in the negative. We can create a million jobs tomorrow, borrowing for infrasturucture projects that needs to be done. Got a bridge in your state that needs replacing? Or SCHOOL.

    Bet a million jobs would shrink the deficit the right is so afraid of. Without selling Grandma a pill cutter.
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    #67

    Aug 16, 2011, 12:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nope, he unhid debt figures that Bush hid: Obama Bans Gimmicks, and Deficit Will Rise - NYTimes.com
    Refusing to pass a budget is one hell of a gimmick. It's also unconstitutional on the House side and unlawful on the Senate side to fail to propose a budget.

    So Obama's spending through 2009 as analyzed by this guy, whoever he or she is, is proof positive that Obama hasn't drastically worsened our debt problems?
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    #68

    Aug 16, 2011, 12:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    So you can't furnish any facts whatsoever for your outlandish claims? This doesn't surprise me. It's all hyperbole no facts.
    Really... The New York Times the biggest political partisans in the business... those are not facts... those are bold faced lies.

    But then... some people believe in Alien abductions too... doesn't make it so either any more than just because the Times posts something doesn't make it fact either.
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    #69

    Aug 16, 2011, 12:59 PM

    The Democrats answer to not having any plan at all is call people names...

    What a bunch of children... and Mental Midgets we have in the white house.


    Sources: Joe Biden likened tea partiers to terrorists - Jonathan Allen and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com
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    #70

    Aug 16, 2011, 01:09 PM

    The jobless problem worsened the debt problem, fix that you go along way toward fixing the debt.

    He submitted a budget, but it was voted down remember. The result of the debt ceiling crisis IS the new budget. Minus a few trillion, and a few more to follow. Now the nature of cuts is all that is left to be realized.
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    #71

    Aug 16, 2011, 01:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Refusing to pass a budget is one hell of a gimmick. It's also unconstitutional on the House side and unlawful on the Senate side to fail to propose a budget.
    Wow, the republicans must be scared and a bunch of >Removed< if they can't even act on that. Is that who you want governing the country??
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    #72

    Aug 16, 2011, 03:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Wow, the republicans must be scared and a bunch of >Removed< if they can't even act on that. Is that who you want governing the country???
    You do realize Republicans only control the House? You think they can get enough Democrats in the House and the Democratic-controlled Senate to punish Democrats? Good logic there, NK.
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    #73

    Aug 16, 2011, 03:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You do realize Republicans only control the House? You think they can get enough Democrats in the House and the Democratic-controlled Senate to punish Democrats?
    If they did it right they could.
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    #74

    Aug 17, 2011, 02:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You do realize Republicans only control the House? You think they can get enough Democrats in the House and the Democratic-controlled Senate to punish Democrats? Good logic there, NK.
    But they haven't even brought it up. Of course one of the options is that you're wrong about the unlawfulness and unconstitutional part as well.
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    #75

    Aug 17, 2011, 06:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    If they did it right they could.
    Feel free to explain.
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    #76

    Aug 17, 2011, 07:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    But they haven't even brought it up.
    Wrong.

    Republicans step up calls for Democrats to offer budget proposal
    12:16 AM 05/19/2011


    As the bipartisan “Gang of 6″ talks appear to have stalled indefinitely, Senate Republicans are stepping up the pressure on the Democratic majority to produce a budget plan.

    Thursday marks the 750th day since the Senate last passed a budget. After weeks of expecting a proposal to be put forward only to have nothing materialize, one Republican staffer speculated to The Daily Caller that Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad may skip the committee markup process altogether.

    Conrad himself has said he has no immediate plans to bring a budget proposal to the committee. And according to the staffer, while Democrats have been working around the clock on a proposal, there was no activity over the weekend.

    “It doesn’t look good for a committee process,” the staffer said.

    “The Democrats campaigned for control of this chamber,” said Budget Committee Ranking Member Jeff Sessions of Alabama. “They asked for the job. Let’s see their budget.”

    Texas Republican Sen. Jon Cornyn took to Twitter to ask, “What? Still no budget?”

    Republican Sen. John Thune of South Dakota also tweeted Wednesday “749 days have passed since @senatedems passed a budget. With the #national debt over $14 trillion, what’s the rush?”

    Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman also joined in on Twitter, saying “We’re in a fiscal crisis, yet the #Democrat led Senate has not passed a #budget in 748 days.”


    But while calling on the Democrats to produce a budget is nothing new, Republicans took it a step further Wednesday by accusing the majority of wasting time in what has been an uncharacteristically slow session.

    That was clear when the Senate Republican Conference, chaired by Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, sent out a press release with a bold headline reading “Democrats’ spending marches on while their budget is MIA…but delay hasn’t been because the Democrats haven’t had the time.”

    The release went on to highlight recent reports about the Senate’s lack of productivity of late. As of last week, the Senate has only held 70 roll call votes – the lowest level at this point of the year the chamber has seen since 1997.

    Five whole weeks were also devoted to getting a small business bill to pass the Senate. It ended up failing anyway on a disagreement over process.

    “The fact that President Obama and the Democrats who control the Senate have not put forward a responsible budget is not only disappointing — it’s alarming,” said Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin.

    “We are ready for a robust debate on the future of our country, but, as the majority, Senate Democrats must show some leadership first,” Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee said.

    Conrad’s office at the Budget Committee did not respond to TheDC requests for comment.
    Of course one of the options is that you're wrong about the unlawfulness and unconstitutional part as well.
    I may have overstepped on the unconstitutional part although the House is the House of revenue according to Section 7. I'm not too big to admit when I'm mistaken. But, they are required by law:

    THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS


    Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974
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    #77

    Aug 17, 2011, 07:30 AM

    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't disagree about the legal requirement for a budget... But, complaining about it, as though it's a reason for the problems we have, is simple partisanship and a deflection from the real problems...

    The Democrats do it too. It's THEIR intention to use ANY advantage they can to SLAM the other guy and gain POWER for themselves.. I think I mentioned that in another post...

    The two sides are still talking PAST each other. I know, I know. You're going to say YOUR side is sincere, but the other guys aren't... Nahh. They ALL suck.

    Vote for Ron Paul.

    excon
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    #78

    Aug 17, 2011, 08:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Feel free to explain.
    Congress would be "doing it right" if they put politics aside and their own greed too and thought honestly about the American public needs and how Congress can address those needs.
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    #79

    Aug 18, 2011, 06:42 AM
    These speak volumes...
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    Aug 18, 2011, 03:24 PM
    Amusing, but hardly speaking volumes.

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