[excon]

Ah, so the lack of the proof is the proof. Been smoking early, ex?

Hello again, Steve:

What I'm saying is that Muslim backlash is ALL around you, yet you don't see it. So, there's NO proof that I can offer that'll be stronger than that which you already don't see.

excon

[asking]

By analogy, some men talk to one another about raping and torturing women as a way of exciting themselves sexually. They share violent pornography and generally talk the idea up. Is it terrorism if one of their group puts all this fantasy into action? Or is he just a violent criminal?

This IS reality, Tom. You may not want to think about it because it makes you uncomfortable, but it's an everyday reality that men stalk, rape, torture and murder women. Murdering 13 women one at a time is not less important than murdering 13 people in 7 minutes.

[excon]

Sorry Ex terrorism is a political act of war. It is not the same as every other crime.

Hello again, tom:

I got it. He committed an act of war. Cool. So, who are we going to bomb because he did it? What nation are we going to invade because he did it. Will he be any deader because we executed him as a criminal and NOT a terrorist? What are we going to DO about his terrorist act of war?

I don't have a problem calling him a terrorist. I have nothing invested either way. But, if it's just applying the WORD terrorist, who cares? I say again, what MATERIAL difference does it make?

I've asked that same question several times and nobody can give me an answer. That's because there IS no answer.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

What I'm saying is that Muslim backlash is ALL around you, yet you don't see it. So, there's NO proof that I can offer that'll be stronger than that which you already don't see.

And I'm telling you I can't see what isn't there. There is no "Muslim backlash" around me.

[speechlesstx]

Remember how we've said that history will be kinder to Bush than you think it will? Read this blog from some avid Hillary supporters:

Thank you former President George W. Bush and former First Lady Laura Bush

We know absolutely no one in Bush family circles and have never met former President George W. Bush or his wife Laura.

If you have been reading us for any length of time, you know that we used to make fun of “Dubya” nearly every day…parroting the same comedic bits we heard in our Democrat circles, where Bush is still, to this day, lampooned as a chimp, a bumbling idiot, and a poor, clumsy public speaker.

Oh, how we RAILED against Bush in 2000…and how we RAILED against the surge in support Bush received post-9/11 when he went to Ground Zero and stood there with his bullhorn in the ruins on that hideous day.

We were convinced that ANYONE who was president would have done what Bush did, and would have set that right tone of leadership in the wake of that disaster. President Gore, President Perot, President Nader, you name it. ANYONE, we assumed, would have filled that role perfectly.

Well, we told you before how much the current president, Dr. Utopia, made us realize just how wrong we were about Bush. We shudder to think what Dr. Utopia would have done post-9/11. He would have not gone there with a bullhorn and struck that right tone. More likely than not, he would have been his usual fey, apologetic self and waxed professorially about how evil America is and how justified Muslims are for attacking us, with a sidebar on how good the attacks were because they would humble us.

Honestly, we don’t think President Gore would have been much better that day. The world needed George W. Bush, his bullhorn, and his indominable spirit that day…and we will forever be grateful to this man for that.

As we will always be grateful for what George and Laura Bush did this week, with no media attention, when they very quietly went to Ft. Hood and met personally with the families of the victims of this terrorist attack.

FOR HOURS.

The Bushes went and met privately with these families for HOURS, hugging them, holding them, comforting them.

If there are any of you out there with any connection at all to the Bushes, we implore you to give them our thanks…you tell them that a bunch of gay Hillary guys in Boystown, Chicago were wrong about the Bushes…and are deeply, deeply sorry for any jokes we told about them in the past, any bad thoughts we had about these good, good people.

You may be as surprised by this as we are ourselves, but from this day forward George W. and Laura Bush are now on the same list for us as the Clintons, Geraldine Ferraro, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and the other political figures we keep in our hearts and never allow anyone to badmouth.

Criticize their policies academically and intelligently and discuss the Bush presidency in historical and political terms…but you mess with the Bushes personally and, from this day forward, you’ll answer to us.

We hope someday to be able to thank George W. and Laura in person for all they’ve done, and continue to do. They didn’t have to head to Ft. Hood. That was not their responsibility.

The Obamas should have done that.

But didn’t.

Wouldn’t.

Thank goodness George W. is still on his watch, with wonderful Laura at his side.

We are blessed as a nation to have these two out there…just as we are blessed to have the Clintons on the job, traveling the world doing the good they do.

And we are blessed to have Cheney, wherever he is, keeping tabs on all that’s going on and speaking out when the current administration does anything too reckless and dangerous.

Cheney’s someone else we villainized and maligned in the past who we were also wrong about. There has never been a Vice President, including Gore, Biden, or Mondale, who was more supportive of gay rights than “Darth Cheney”. There has never been a Vice President more spot-on right about the dangers facing this country from Islamic terrorism.

We live in strange, strange times indeed.

We are now officially committed fans of George W. and Laura Bush. We are fans of Cheney. Our gratitude for them makes us newly protective of them, and the continued role they play in this country.

After the primary battle of 2008, we never thought we’d go back to Texas for anything, but sometime in 2010 we want to find some event in Dallas the Bushes will be at so at least one of us can go up to them, tell them we are deeply sorry for ever thinking ill of them, and thank them from the bottom of our hearts for their service to America.

We’re sure they will just stare at us and wonder why these gay Chicagoans are crying, but we don’t think we can get through a meeting with them without being emotional.

What they did at Ft. Hood for those families humbles us. Every day, the Bushes are most likely doing something just like it behind the scenes.

We hope if any of you encounter them you will let them know this is deeply appreciated beyond partisan lines.

We will never look at the Bushes, the Bush presidencies, or their legacies the same again…and someday when his presidential library is built, we will be so proud to visit there and tell anyone will listen about November 10th, 2009, the day we finally appreciated former President George W. Bush and his wife Laura.

Thank you for your service, Mr. President. We’re sorry we didn’t appreciate you while you were in office, but we thank Heaven we’ve wised up and can see the good you are out there doing, under the radar, today.

And thank you for your honesty...

[excon]

Remember how we've said that history will be kinder to Bush than you think it will? Read this blog from some avid Hillary supporters:

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things...

You got this right wing comic named Miller, who USED to be a flaming lib... He's on with O'Reilly. Anyone who truly believed a liberal philosophy couldn't just change up at the drop of a hat, and adopt a conservative one. That is exactly what Miller did. Consequently, I don't believe he EVER believed in liberalism, any more than I now believe he believes in conservatism..

Having said that, I read what these people wrote. They were actually GUSHING, spilling over with admiration, not only for Bush, but for vice as well. Anybody who opposed Bush like they said they did, absolutely would not GUSH - certainly not about vice. Therefore, I can't believe they ever opposed him in the first place...

But, don't go away mad... I have softened in my stance. It was VICE who was the bad dude, and all HIS crony's Rummy, Wolfie and the rest who were running things. That wasn't good...

But, to Bush's credit, he disowned them in his second term, and it realllllly pissed vice off. THAT was pretty good. Whatever wrongs he did, he wound up being his own man.

But, the writers of that screed?? Puleez!

excon

[speechlesstx]

You are mistaken in that flaming libs can't see the light and change, but no one said it had to be at the drop of a hat. You're just repeating the same old tripe I've heard time and again, no TRUE liberal could EVER abandon liberalism, if they do they just never believed it in the first place. What a crock.

I don't find it all that odd for someone to be able to have praise for both Bush and the Clintons, especially considering the amateur boob in the White House now.

[speechlesstx]

Evidenty the President thinks simularly . He is bringing the mastermind of the attacks on 9-11 to stand trial in Federal Court in Manhattan ;just a few city blocks from where 20,000 bones of their attack were dug up . I guess that was just another criminal act also .

The big show in NYC is about criminalizing our counter-terrorism efforts. It's a back door way to get all those government secrets out, rile the leftists over America's sins and bring light to all those Bush "crimes."

[tomder55]

Originally Posted by inthebox

If I was a muslim, and believed that my religion was being hijacked by these terrorist, I would be ashamed. That is what I am waiting on the MSM to report on, major muslim groups repudiating the acts Nidal and his fellow jihadists.


G&P

Found one on the Huffpos by Salam Al Marayati; executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.I don't agree with everything he says ;but I have no doubt about his sentiments.

Salam Al Marayati: Fort Hood: A Defining Moment for Muslim Americans

[inthebox]

Thanks Tom for providing some proof that there are sane voices for American Muslim's.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ex


Hasan on Islam - washingtonpost.com


This is Hassan's grand rounds presentation at Walter Reed
Grand rounds is a MEDICAL presentation for teaching usuallly involving interesting, or difficult, or rare, cases in order to educate colleagues.

If there truly was a "backlash," how was Hassan allowed to present this?
Note page 18, 43, 44, 49.

You can't have a moment of silence for prayer at a public school, yet at a military hospital they can teach about Islam?



G&P

[NeedKarma]

You can't have a moment of silence for prayer at a public school, yet at a military hospital they can teach about Islam?

Where does it say that Islam is taught in military hospitals?

[ETWolverine]

Where does it say that Islam is taught in military hospitals?

Please try to keep up.

ITB posted a copy of a presentation that Hassan, the terrorist of Ft. Hood, gave at Walter Reed Army Hospital, which amounted to a screed about radical Islam and the evils of America.

That would constitute teaching about Islam in military hospitals, done in an official capacity.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

Please try to keep up.

ITB posted a copy of a presentation that Hassan, the terrorist of Ft. Hood, gave at Walter Reed Army Hospital, which amounted to a screed about radical Islam and the evils of America.

That would constitute teaching about Islam in military hospitals, done in an official capacity.

Elliot

How many other teachings of Islam in an official capacity have occurred at military hospitals? There must be many since you and inthebox say they can teach this.

[ETWolverine]

How many other teachings of Islam in an official capacity have occured at military hospitals? There must be many since you and inthebox say they can teach this.

Once isn't enough?

Again, ITB's comment is correct... it is forbidden to have silent prayer in public schools, yet this speech about radical Islam was permitted.

Why? Because it was politically correct to permit it.

Are you saying that in order for it to have been wrong it must have happened more than once?

What a silly argument. By that standard, Hassan's act of terrorist mass murder wasn't wrong because it only happened once.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

Once isn't enough?

So anything that has been done once in any environment is enough to say that that environment expressly allows it? That's your argument?

[ETWolverine]

So anything that has been done once in any environment is enough to say that that environment expressly allows it? That's your argument?

It would seem to me that if a speech is permitted in an official venue and in an official capacity, it IS policy and that that environment DID expressly allow it.

Despite the fact that Hassan was surrounded by military and medical superiors, he was permitted to FINISH the speech and was not sanctioned for GIVING the speech. Ergo, it was allowed.

Are you trying to argue that it wasn't allowed when it clearly was? I don't see the point of your argument. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

I've been watching you do it for years. ;)

[excon]

It would seem to me that if a speech is permitted in an official venue and in an official capacity, it IS policy and that that environment DID expressly allow it.

Hello again, Elliot:

In other words, in order to protect against nuts from misrepresenting their policy, the Army needs to have somebody watching every presentation the Army makes...

You really don't listen to yourself...

excon

[earl237]

Mark Steyn wrote a great article about this in Maclean's. This guy wrote soldier of allah on his business cards, was reprimanded for encouraging patients to convert to Islam and praised suicide bombers yet amazingly, no one was willing to file a complaint against him because the army was afraid it would send a bad message to dismiss one of the few Muslims in the army. Political correctness killed 14 people, and they army brass should be ashamed. If he had been a Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kaczynski neo-nazi/militia, type they would have fired him immediately.

[speechlesstx]

Get ready to be pi$$ed...

Somebody at Fort Hood Should Be Walking the Plank [Andy McCarthy]

Prepare to be infuriated.

It's been brought to my attention by several reliable sources that the Defense Department has brought Louay Safi to Fort Hood as an instructor, and that he has been lecturing on Islam to our troops in Fort Hood who are about to deploy to Afghanistan. Safi is a top official of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), and served as research director at the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT).

Worse, last evening, Safi was apparently permitted to present a check (evidently on behalf of ISNA) to the families of the victims of last month's Fort Hood massacre. A military source told the blogger Barbarossa at the Jawa Report: "This is nothing short of blood money. This is criminal and the Ft. Hood base commander should be fired right now."

ISNA was identified by the Justice Department at the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing conspiracy trial as an unindicted co-conspirator. The defendants at that trial were convicted of funding Hamas to the tune of millions of dollars. This should have come as no surprise. ISNA is the Muslim Brotherhood's umbrella entity for Islamist organizations in the United States. It was established in 1981 to enable Muslims in North America "to adopt Islam as a complete way of life" — i.e., to further the Brotherhood's strategy of establishing enclaves in the West that are governed by sharia. As I detailed in an essay for the April 20 edition of NR, the Brotherhood's rally-cry remains, to this day, "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” The Brotherhood's spiritual guide, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who issued a fatwa in 2004 calling for attacks on American forces in Afghanistan, openly declares that Islam will "conquer America" and "conquer Europe."

Also established in 1981, the IIIT is a Saudi funded think-tank dedicated, it says, to the "Islamicization of knowledge" — which, Zeyno Baran (in Volume 6 of the Hudson Institute's excellent series, "Current Trends in Islamist Ideology") has aptly observed, "could be a euphemism for the rewriting of history to support Islamist narratives." Years ago, the Saudis convinced the United States that the IIIT should be the military's go-to authority on Islam. One result was the placement of Abdurrahman Alamoudi to select Muslim chaplains for the armed forces. Alamoudi has since been convicted of terrorism and sentenced to 23 years in federal prison.

As noted in this 2003 Frontpage report, 2002 search warrant links Safi to an entity called the "Safa Group." The Safa Group has never been charged with a crime, but the affidavit allegest its involvement in moving large sums of money to terrorist fronts. Safi was also caught on an FBI wiretap of Sami al-Arian, a former leader in the murderous Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ). The year was 1995, and the topic of the discussion between Safi and al-Arian was Safi's concern that President Clinton's executive order prohibiting financial transactions with terrorist organizations would negatively affect al-Arian. More recently, al-Arian has been convicted of conspiring to provide material support to terrorism.

At Human Events a couple of months back, Rowan Scarborough had a disturbing report about the FBI's "partnering" efforts with Islamist groups — including the very same ISNA that the Justice Department had cited as an unindicted co-conspirator in the terrorism financing conspiracy. A prominent figure in the report was Louay Jafi:

Safi is a Syrian-born author who advocates Muslim American rights through his directorship of ISNA's Leadership Development Center. He advocates direct talks between Washington and Iran's leaders. He has spoken out against various law enforcement raids on Islamic centers.

In a 2003 publication, "Peace and the Limits of War," Safi wrote, "The war against the apostates [non-believers of Islam] is carried out not to force them to accept Islam, but to enforce the Islamic law and maintain order."

He also wrote, "It is up to the Muslim leadership to assess the situation and weigh the circumstances as well as the capacity of the Muslim community before deciding the appropriate type of jihad. At one stage, Muslims may find that jihad, through persuasion or peaceful resistance, is the best and most effective method to achieve just peace." [ACM: Implicitly, this concedes there is a time for violent jihad, too.]

At ISNA's annual convention in Washington in July, one speaker, Imam Warith Deen Umar, criticized Obama for having two Jewish people — Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod — in the White House. "Why do this small number of people have control of the world?" he said, according to a IPT transcript. He said the Holocast was punishment for Jews "because they were serially disobedient to Allah."

[Steven] Emerson's group [the Investigative Project on Terrorism] collected literature at the convention approved for distribution by ISNA. It said the pamphlets and books featured "numerous attempts to portray U.S. prosecution of terrorists and terror supporters as anti-Muslim bigotry; dramatic revisionist history that denied attacks by Arab nations and Palestinian terrorists against Israel; anti-Semitic tracts and hyperbolic rants about a genocide and holocaust of Palestinians."

Asked if the FBI should sever ties with ISNA, Emerson said, "ISNA is an unindicted co-conspirator. It's a Muslim Brotherhood group. I think in terms of legitimacy there should be certain expectations of what the group says publicly. If it continues to espouse jihad and anti-Semitism, I think it nullifies it right to have the FBI recognize it."

If you want to get a sense of the garbage our troops are being forced to endure in Fort Hood's classrooms, check out Jihad Watch, where my friend Bob Spencer has more on this episode and on his prior jousts with Safi, here, here, and here.

What on earth is this government doing, and will Congress please do something about it?

Good question, what the hell is our government doing? This is insane.