[arcura]

sndbay,
Yes I believe that Scripture should be literally taken, but that depends of who interprets it and how.
Do they take the culture and times it was written as well as what history has shown into consideration or not?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[kbrockway]

Do you know if you are going to heaven? Admit to God you are a sinner deserving of hell. Ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and save you. The bible says Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Read matthew ch. 24 to answer your ques.

[arcura]

kbrockway,
Yes, my belief is that I am destined for heaven because of what Jesus said and did.
He is my Lord and savior.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

sndbay,
Yes I believe that Scripture should be literally taken, but that depends of who interprets it and how.
Do they take the culture and times it was written as well as what history has shown into consideration or not?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Not the topic of this thread and best answered in it's own posting.

[galveston]

[QUOTE=sndbay;1598288]So True, for all that is written must be fulfilled.


Does that verse put those with the seal of God still on earth? Yes, clearly satn has 5 months to hurt only those who don't have the seals in their forehead READ READ READ.. .

Those sealed and still on Earth are the tribulation saints, most of whom will be Israelites. The tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy, and is the time of "Jacob's Trouble" and for the "purification of Levi".

Nothing of the Church is seen on Earth during this time.

[sndbay]

So True, for all that is written must be fulfilled.


Does that verse put those with the seal of God still on earth? Yes, clearly satan has 5 months to hurt only those who don't have the seals in their forehead READ READ READ.. .

Those sealed and still on Earth are the tribulation saints, most of whom will be Israelites. The tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy, and is the time of "Jacob's Trouble" and for the "purification of Levi".

Nothing of the Church is seen on Earth during this time.

I'd like to ask you to explain your point further.

Explain also Jesus foretold message of warning in Matthew 24:4-14?

Matthew 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

[galveston]

I'd like to ask you to explain your point further.

Explain also Jesus foretold message of warning in Matthew 24:4-14?

Matthew 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus' words were in reply to a JEWISH question about the temple which Jesus had just said would be destroyed. Much of the prophecy of this complete passage was fulfilled in 70 AD. That part about "this generation" applied to that destruction. Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)

Now think about this:
Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

This is not a simple prophecy to understand, but the timetable is broken down: (7 weeks) (62 weeks) and (1 week).

According to history and the Jewish calendar, Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem and was crucified right on schedule, thus ending the 69 weeks. One week remains, but since all this applies to Israel, when she rejected Christ, the Church age began. That is of indeterminate duration and when it ends, the final week of Daniel's prophecy will begin. It should be obvious that the Church age and the final week of Israel's age before the Millennium will not be concurrent.

I don't know if you can find this book, but it is a scholarly work and gives great detail on the time line of Daniels prophecy.

It is The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson
Library of Congress Catalog Number 63-11464
ISBN 0-8254-2115-2

[arcura]

Galvison,
I think that the Daniel prophesy has long ago been fulfilled.
Fred

[sndbay]

Now think about this:
Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

This is not a simple prophecy to understand, but the timetable is broken down: (7 weeks) (62 weeks) and (1 week).

According to history and the Jewish calendar, Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem and was crucified right on schedule, thus ending the 69 weeks. One week remains, but since all this applies to Israel, when she rejected Christ, the Church age began. That is of indeterminate duration and when it ends, the final week of Daniel's prophecy will begin. It should be obvious that the Church age and the final week of Israel's age before the Millennium will not be concurrent.

26 after threescore and two weeks.. The definite Article here marks this period as mentioned in verse 24 after the 483 years.. How long after is not stated but it must be soon or even immediately after the Messiah was presented and proclaimed in Jerusalem as Prince. Decreed in the month of Nisan, the same month as the events of Matt.21:1-26 Chapter 9 Zech; Luke 19:41-44 (this thy day) threescore and two: the sixty-two sevens = 434 years (see verse 25 cut off )

the people: the Roman people referred in Luke 19:41-44 and 21:20

the prince that shall come: "the little horn" of chapter 7:8, 24-26 and 8:9-12, 23-25

shall destroy the city: Matthew 21: 41; Matthew 22:7

For the present interval between verse 26 and 27 see (Luke 4:18-20 and Luke 21:24) This fills the first half of the "week"See: Revelation 11:3-5 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (Zech 4:3-12)

the midst of the week...= the middle of the week(at the end of the first three and a half years)

[sndbay]

Jesus' words were in reply to a JEWISH question about the temple which Jesus had just said would be destroyed.

Yes, but his disciples came to him in verse 24:3 and asked Jesus, tell us when these things will be? And the "signs " of your coming? and the end of this world?

Much of the prophecy of this complete passage was fulfilled in 70 AD.

The teaching is all that Christ has to say to warn us.. foretold warning

Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)

This has not happen yet... It will indeed take place as will all that is written be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) (Daniel 12:11) (Daniel 11:31) (Daniel 9:27)

Woe the abomination of desolation!!!

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

[galveston]

galvison,
I think that the Daniel prophesy has long ago been fulfilled.
Fred

If that were so then we would be in the Millennium or have past through it already.

[arcura]

bobbalina,
No one really truly knows when the end of this age will come with the return of Christ.
Though there are som who claim the know what will happen, I believe that they do not because prophesy is interpreted on many ways by many people and the only real way we know what prophesy means is after it has been fulfilled. That is when we understant what the prophesy meant.
That is the big problem with prophesy.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)

Galveston,

Please let me state clearly that I do believe we are seeing scripture happen as it is written. Yet I do not consider anything fulfilled in what we have discussed until the final stage is completed. So when I said in my last posting #70 it has not happened yet, I just mean it is not yet actually fulfilled. And I see from your post you said "some" meaning not all.. So I think we can agree on that..

I also agree that Daniel has not yet been fulfilled.


However the Millennium is still to come, and will be a time of teaching with satan locked up completely for a 1000 years. At that time, there will be no temptation caused by his deception as we do experience today.

And I believe we are gathered here on earth by Christ for that peroid of teaching. That is the meaning and importance of "The Lord's Day " being warned and written in scripture (2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.)

Thus begins (Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.)

Confirming that satan is locked up until after the 1000 years. (Revelation20:7)

~In Christ

[arcura]

sndbay,
Wars, earthquakes, floods, the moon turning blood read, darkening of the sun, etc. have been going on since Jesus' time here on earth in the flesh and the will continue for some time yet to come.
Thus the signs of the end of time have been showing up for 2000 years.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[classyT]

Fred,

Come ON! Israel became a nation in 1948!! We are in the last days and if you can't see that... I'm bringin you a pair of glasses and a smack upside the head. ( I'm teasing, I won't smack ya)

[sndbay]

sndbay,
Wars, earthquakes, floods, the moon turning blood read, darkening of the sun, etc. have been going on since Jesus' time here on earth in the flesh and the will continue for some time yet to come.
Thus the signs of the end of time have been showing up for 2000 years.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Wars will always be against evil, and I believe it is God that leads the strong to conquer, just as scripture has shown. We are One Nation under God, and I pray we remain with that fact in mind and heart. Look at the freedom and libertity given to journey in new ways. God tells us not to worry or concern ourselves about wars, they are things that need be.

The types of floods we see today, I believe can be ones that teach us not to treasure material processions. And that God opens new doors, and paths from foolishness. The value in life, and loved ones is shown. And I trust God is a God of the living when death of the body is exampled in either of these sorrows.

The moon turning like blood is not the norm of occurances. And the signs should be taken seriously.. From the beginning in Genesis, God created the moon, sun and stars for signs. Not to be worshipped, but to show us His creation and path.

As ClassyT said come ON! Israel became a nation in 1948!!! We are in the last days ..

It is the Fig Tree generation... the bitter and sweet... and I believe the famine is for The Word.. Satan has tempted hourly for many years..

I personal trust the idea of Phl 1:23-24 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh [is] more needful for you.

And I feel we all have predestrined reason behind our life, I pray that we can be all God created us to be.

~ can only imagine

[arcura]

classyT
I agree we are in the last days and have been for a long time.
I also believe that it will be a long time yet before the return of Christ.
Y the way I have seen several blood red moons and know of quite a few darkenings of the sun. They are called eclipses.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[bobbalina]

Somewhere in the Bible... doesnt it mention warfare and guns? I'm pretty sure it says it somewhere in revelations but I can't find it

[450donn]

Fred,
Since you insist on beating this dead horse again and again. Answer this question for me please.
How if it is as you want to believe, then how do you reconcile your belief with Is; 66, LK 21;7-38?

[sndbay]

Fred,
Since you insist on beating this dead horse again and again. Answer this question for me please.
How if it is as you want to believe, then how do you reconcile your belief with Is; 66, LK 21;7-38?

That is a good question?

AND: Fred did the eclipes end?
How about when the lights go out forever? Who will remain in darkness?

Revelation 22:4-5 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.