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ScottGem · Apr 19, 2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by crazytrain

I am talking about the history of the world.
Maybe we got this one before he got to big.

The fact is that Hussein DID get too big. That was when he invaded Kuwait. What happened then was the proper reaction. He was condemned for his aggression by the just about every nation. They banded together to throw him out of Kuwait. He was contained at that time. There was no proof he was going to try such an act of aggression again.

Cgirl · Apr 19, 2006, 10:47 AM

AMEN ScottGem!

And as for Katrina, yea, now Bush has his tail between his legs and is fixing things now, but TO LITTLE TOO LATE. What about all of the poverty that was ignored before Katrina happened? What about all of the people that were forgotten when Katrina struck? THe Levie's would have held up better if they had been updated to begin with, and not after the fact. No, this is not all Bush's fault, but once again, it just goes to show you that he should worry about what is happening here in the US, and not what is good for his pocketbook. Period.

31pumpkin · Apr 19, 2006, 10:47 AM

Try reading your former posts in this section! And YOU try getting your own points!!

ScottGem · Apr 19, 2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by 31pumpkin

Try reading your former posts in this section! And YOU try getting your own points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have to read my former posts. I know what I said. Try explaining yourself instead of posting cryptic remarks. I refer back to specific statements when necessary. If you show me what you are referring to, I will respond. But I haven't a clue.

I did go back reread my previous answer to you. I still haven't a clue what you refer to. As for my not showing respect. As I said respect has to be earned. Dubya has not show himself worthy of my respect.

As for my girlfriend, I've been happily married for 32 years.

magprob · Apr 19, 2006, 11:02 AM

Our dear Heavenly Father, please plant the seeds of truth into the minds of the thinking impared. Amen

Hypatia · Apr 19, 2006, 11:21 AM

Mag, it seems like you have done your research already. So whay ask what you have already come to terms with? To see if others see and believe? it is still hard for folks to come to terms with the idea of illuminati, Icke theory and such. Im glad you brought this up but even if Bush isnt the "Antichrist" he sure is an evil, ignorant, self serving person that most can agree is not a good president but an ignorant one. And there will be those who adore him because they truly believe in his lies and have some form of hope.
Woe to those who live within the illusion and never question reality. For it is they who will breathe the smoke while their leaders point the mirrors.

Hypatia

orange · Apr 19, 2006, 12:04 PM

What I don't understand is, I hear some Americans talking about respecting the president, respecting the government, etc. But how is criticizing the president's actions disrespect? Isn't it just a right as part of freedom of speech? If you threw a pie in the president's face as he was greeting people THAT would be disrespect (actually that happened to one of our prime ministers a few years back!). But when disagreeing with government policies is labeled "disrespect", that scares me. Do you want to live in a country where people are not allowed to disagree with the president??

ScottGem · Apr 19, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by orange

What I don't understand is, I hear some Americans talking about respecting the president, respecting the government, etc. But how is criticizing the president's actions disrespect?

Perfect Chava!! Got stymied by the spread feature. But your whole comment here was absolutely perfect.

Cgirl · Apr 19, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by orange
What I don't understand is, I hear some Americans talking about respecting the president, respecting the government, etc. But how is criticizing the president's actions disrespect?

I agree, Orange. What once again it goes back to Freedom of Speech, not criticism of the president.

jduke44 · Apr 19, 2006, 01:14 PM

Cgirl, I realize Bush hasn't made the best decisions, but then again, what president has in the last 20 years? New Orleans? It is funny how no one has blamed the Mayor and the Governor who in my opinion did a horrible job in the whole evacuation.

Although everyone does make valid points. I am not sure who should be believed and who I shouldn't. You have the liberal media and a conservative media. Everyone will tell their side and what they think is right. This is almost as bad a thread on religion. I don't think anyone can make an assessment on whether the right decisions are being made unless you are 1) in the government 2) real close to people who work in government. It is the same as where you work. The higher ups are making decisions that the lower end people are shaking their heads as to why things are being done this way. I am not saying this is all right, I am just saying that this is the way of politics. I think because it is Bush people are aware of the decisions that are being made.
magprob -- you mentioned the iluminata. Don't they control all the nations leaders anyway? I am not quite sure Bush is totally conforming to their demands. I know Bush Sr. didn't.

It was pretty funny how Osama was endorcing Kerry. Why? I think because Osama thought he could control Kerry better than Bush.

We need to get independent on oil. I heard awhile back the Senator from Alaska did a favor for 2 other Senators and set aside 19 million acres for wild life so later they could set aside 1 million for oil. Now those Sneators aren't in office anymore and we cannot get our oil drilled there. I remember Bush trying to get that pushed through but the other Senators wouldn't allow it.

Anyway, that is the end of my rant. I probably will only read the rest of the posts.

DrJ · Apr 19, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by rickj

2. If it is a person, then we are fairly sure of one thing: Christians will not identify him prior to his coming to world power.

Im jumping in really late and haven't read through the whole thread as of yet... but I wanted to comment on this.

The thing about this is that, in this day and age, do you really think that ANYONE could come CLOSE to world power, without everyone saying "ANTICHRIST, ANTICHRIST!!" I mean, I know that what the Bible tells us but how could someone rise so high without everyone seeing it coming, without ANYONE screaming "ANTICHRIST!"?

Cgirl · Apr 19, 2006, 01:28 PM

I must say this about Bush though. I look at him, even just a picture of him, and it gives me the creeps. Something about him just does that. He definitely does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. There is just something not right about that man. I don't think he is the "anti-christ" but I do think he is out for himself. Does this make him evil? You tell me?

EDIT: Jduke44, he gave me the creeps to, but just on his moral standings

DrJ · Apr 19, 2006, 01:29 PM

Wow... now that I have read on, this really turned into a steaming political debate... how boring! I like the Anti-Christ discussion much better! Lol

Cgirl · Apr 19, 2006, 01:33 PM

Gosh I better stop posting things about the government, someone might bust me via the "Patriot ACT"... they might think I am a traitor. The fact is, I LOVE my country, wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I love my freedom, I just want those freedoms to remain protected, for me, my children, my grandchildren, etc. I am just afraid that they won't be much longer. But I am trying to think "good thoughts" for my son's sake. I just hope that I can raise him to love his country too, and not hate it because of all of the bad events taking place.

ScottGem · Apr 19, 2006, 03:51 PM

Some very thoguhtful comments, JD. But I do have some counterpoint.

No one is perfect, including presidents. They have all made bad or just unpopular decisions. But Bush's record is one of the worst. There have been so many mistakes and bad decisions.

As to Bin Laden endorsing Kerry, I have an alternative theory. Do you believe that Bin Laden's endorsement would induce any American to vote for him? So maybe Bin Laden endorsed Kerry because he was afraid of him, figuring that his endorsement would be the kiss of death.

While its true that the media is slanted, certain facts have been presented and I'm making my judgments not on what the media has said but on the facts that have been presented.

31pumpkin · Apr 19, 2006, 03:54 PM

Well, at least y'all got your sense of humor back!

As A REBORN Christian I'm NOT going to worry about Armeggedon. No one with THIS FAITH concerns themselves with the end because WE will be caught up in the Rapture anyway.

Sometimes I do have to fake it for the sake of the younger ones here & there. So hopefully they don't see my post, BUT, Take a look @ Iran. Sen. John McCain stated last night on a program that Iran is developing their nuclear weapons with the sole interest in destroying Israel! I'd say the leaders (what is it they have, president or whoever) I'd say he or she could be your beast. Whatcha think?

magprob · Apr 19, 2006, 04:56 PM

Well, not many folks think that G.W. Bush is the Antichrist. I really don't either. I don't think he is a very good president and I don't think the American people come first with him. I agree with rickj, our superfearlessmoderator, do we really know what the Antichrist is? Anyway, I see this thread going in circles and I need to rest my brain. I'm going back to the home and garden section! Goodnight and Goodluck!:p

mr.yet · Apr 19, 2006, 05:17 PM

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —

From the: IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

This statement is valid today.

Starman · Apr 21, 2006, 10:46 PM

If Bush was doing something which the American people disagreed strongly with, why did they reelect him for a second term?

ScottGem · Apr 22, 2006, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Starman

If Bush was doing something which the American people disagreed strongly with, why did they reelect him for a second term?

That's a very good question. Its got no cut and dried answer. But there are several factors involved.

One reason is the American party system. Many people (on both sides) vote blindly along party lines. Another reason was the lack of a strong opposition candidate. Bush was also still riding the 9/11 tragedy. He gained a lot of favor (for reasons not totally logical) over his handling of the attacks. His first term was not as obviously bad as his second term has been. A lot of the problems and mistakes are first coming out now. Since he gained a clear victory the last time, and since he's a lame duck, he's free to do what his handlers want him to do. So the excesses have now become more obvious. These are just some of the factors.