[Credendovidis]

Nobody has been arguing that except the non believers who keep dwelling on it. We got the point but the conversation keeps getting stuck right there.

The non-theists have a valid point, but the theists don't want to accept the reality of that...

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[tsila1777]

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Originally Posted by N0help4u
Nobody has been arguing that except the non believers who keep dwelling on it. We got the point but the conversation keeps getting stuck right there.

Cred said: The non-theists have a valid point, but the theists don't want to accept the reality of that...

Dear Cred, she just did! Did you bother to read her post? It sure doesn't seem so from your response.

Can we not move on?

I was told you were intelligent... prove that if you can.

[tsila1777]

The reason why you say the supernatural can not be proven is because you are looking for NATURAL Scientific evidence for the SUPER NATURAL.. which does not make any sense.
The supernatural happens every day but it can not be scientifically proven because science is the study of NATURAL phenomenon so it is impossible to prove the supernatural by scientific means. There is a supernatural spiritual relm that exists and i know it does because my mom's sister used be a witch. Supernatural things happen all the time but skeptics like you always try to find a natural explanation for it. So just because in your Opinion you dont think the supernatural exists.. does not mean you are right because there is atleast 5 billion people in the world who will disagree with you.

Good post.

[tsila1777]

I wouldn't say that - maybe one specific one. The 'non-believers' don't go around telling your living your life the wrong way because you aren't like them. There no need to attempt to convert people. Do atheists go door-to-door like the mormons do? How about if both sides stop preaching?

No, atheists go to court and get prayer taken out of all schools because someone was offended, and to prevent thousands from saying the pledge because one person was offended. They demand that one not say 'in Jesus Name' when praying in public, because someone may be offended. They have done so many things but my gosh, to go to someone's door and talk to them about God over a nice cup of coffee? How dare those mormons!:eek:

[Credendovidis]

No, atheists go to court and get prayer taken out of all schools because someone was offended

Not so. Because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.

They demand that one not say 'in Jesus Name' when praying in public, because someone may be offended.

Not so. Because prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection. Churches are for religious activities.

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[N0help4u]

Not so. Because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.


Not so. Because prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection. Churches are for religious activities.

:rolleyes:

How is it not true??
If you want to be factually correct
Your statements should be

That's right because Because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.


That's right because prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection. Churches are for religious activities.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

If you want to be factually correct ...

No, atheists go to court and get prayer taken out of all schools because someone was offended.

Atheists do not go to Court because they are offended by prayer.
They go to Court because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.

So my statement was correct...

Go to bed, have some sleep...

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[Choux]

Sapph,

Each godbeliever has to**acknowledge** the simple point that what they say about their religion is their *BELIEF/FAITH*, and not fact or proven... or we can't go forward in any discussion.

We can't go forward until that is done.

[Galveston1]

Neither can we go forward as long as Atheists continue to deny that what they have is a BELIEF. Looks like stalemate to me.

[N0help4u]

Neither can we go forward as long as Atheists continue to deny that what they have is a BELIEF. Looks like stalemate to me.

Exactly what I was trying to get across in that one post I did on objective/subjective belief

[tsila1777]

Not so. Because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.


Not so. Because prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection. Churches are for religious activities.

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Not so, because back in the good old days when this country was young and people had morals, schools taught children to read using the Bible! When I was in school, we always said the pledge to the flag, and had prayer time.

Separation of government and religion was intended to keep the government from interfering with religions, not to kick God out of our schools, and public places. This country was founded on freedom of religion.





How could displaying the Ten Commandments in schools and other places offend anyone? If they do not like it, they do not have to look at it. Just like those of us who do not like to look at certain types of people making out in public, and having their parades. :eek: We just turn our heads. Which is not really what we should be doing, we should be fighting for our rights.




It is a fact that since they have done that, there has been much more violence in the schools. That offends me, but I suppose that does not count to the non-believers. They would rather have guns, knives and bombs in schools than prayer and the Ten Commandments.

[tsila1777]

Sapph,

Each godbeliever has to**acknowledge** the simple point that what they say about their religion is their *BELIEF/FAITH*, and not fact or proven....or we can't go forward in any discussion.

We can't go forward until that is done.

Dear,

That has been done so many times that it is now ridiculous that people still insist that we should do that. How many times would be enough? 100? 200? How many times must we say this is our belief, this is our faith. How many?

Why do non-believers not have to write this is my 'non-belief'? Why should only believers have to clarify their statements and non-believers do not? Your beliefs are not facts either and they have not been proven. Why the double standard? Has anyone every insisted that non-believers should begin every sentence with 'this is my non-belief…?' If we have to begin each sentence with I believe, then non-believers should have to begin every sentence with this is my non-belief. Would that not be fair?


Your non-belief is YOUR BELIEF! :rolleyes: You believe there is no God. That is your belief. So let us go on with each stating this is my belief... believers and non-believers. Would that make it possible for us to go forward?


It by faith through grace that we are saved. It is a gift from God. However, as I have pointed out several times, to no avail, I am not a religious person. I do not subscribe to any religion. I believe in relationship with God, as do many thousands of other people.

There are many religions, and some call themselves Christians. However, not all Christians are in a structured religion.

But I believe there is a God Who sent His Son to die for my sins. It is my belief that He was raised for my justification. I believe that He even now lives to make intercession for me. I believe someday He will return for His people and I believe that after the Church is removed from the earth, it is my belief that the wrath of God will be poured out on non-believers. This is what But I believe there is a God Who sent His Son to die for my sins. It is my belief that He was raised for my justification. I believe that He even now lives to make intercession for me. I believe someday He will return for His people and I believe that after the Church is removed from the earth, it is my belief that the wrath of God will be poured out on non-believers. This is what I believe. My belief is based on the Word of God by faith in His Word, and I believe that the Word of God is true, I believe because I have faith in God.

Is this enough, I hope so because that's all you get from me.
. My belief is based on the Word of God by faith in His Word, and [bbcode][/bbcode] that the Word of God is true, [bbcode][/bbcode] because I have faith in God.

Is this enough, I hope so because that's all you get from me.

[N0help4u]

Like I say if you come on religion boards or Christian boards you should accept that the board is about Belief and faith not fact, even when people state their belief as fact it should be assumed that it is belief so why does I believe that have to be preceded by a statement of belief?
The board is clearly listed religion which clearly means BELIEF
I have said that before and I will continue to say it. Nobody is forcing atheists to come to the Christian board, the Religion board or any board.

[tsila1777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Neither can we go forward as long as Atheists continue to deny that what they have is a BELIEF. Looks like stalemate to me.

Quote by nohelp4u: Exactly what I was trying to get across in that one post I did on objective/subjective belief __________________

Why is it so hard for them to understand that if they say 'I do not believe in God, they are actually saying I believe God does not exist.' That is their belief and It is not a fact, it has not been proven, and they cannot prove it, but they state it as if it were as fact.

However, when we state what we believe they create this double standard that Each godbeliever has to**acknowledge** the simple point that what they say about their religion is their *BELIEF/FAITH*, and not fact or proven..


It just goes to show how they think. Which is why they believe there is no God, but do not understand that they cannot state it as a fact because it has not been proven. So they should have to **acknowledge** the simple point that what they say about their lack of religion is their *BELIEF/FAITH*, and not fact or proven..

peace and love,

[tsila1777]

Like I say if you come on religion boards or Christian boards you should accept that the board is about Belief and faith not fact, even when people state their belief as fact it should be assumed that it is belief so why does I believe that have to be preceded by a statement of belief?
The board is clearly listed religion which clearly means BELIEF
I have said that before and I will continue to say it. Nobody is forcing atheists to come to the Christian board, the Religion board or any board.

I know they have a right to post here, but why do they come to a Christian board and then try to tell us how we should share our beliefs with each other? Is there not an atheist's board where they can share their beliefs with each other? Why don't all the atheists start a new board and they can just agree with each other all night long and there will be no stalemates.

Repeating myself for Cred’s sake, I know you do have a right to post here…but I wonder why you do. Is it that you are indeed looking for a reason to believe in God? Do you secretly want to be convinced that God is and that He rewards those that diligently seek Him?

That is the only reason that makes sense to me. Either that, or you just like to annoy Christians who are trying to have a pleasant conversation and share our faith, beliefs and understandings of God’s Word and His Son’s work in our lives. Why would you want to do that? Since you cannot prove what you believe, and your belief is not a fact.

Peace upon every soul who reads and understands; you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God and receive eternal life.

Please understand this, I refuse to submit to your rules of how I express my Christian beliefs on this religious board unless you conform to the same rules. If you do not like it, then you will just have to deal with it.:)

[N0help4u]

Yeah I don't mind them posting on the boards but as you say the constant pointing out
"THAT is what YOU BELIEVE" IS over done and ridiculous.

[tsila1777]

Atheists do not go to Court because they are offended by prayer.
They go to Court because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.

So my statement was correct ...

Go to bed, have some sleep ...

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Cred,
You are supposed to say "I believe' or "that's my belief' or "in my opinion' before you make statements that like.

[Allheart]

Tsila - A nice big hug for you sweetheart.

We believe in our faith - and we believe it to be true - That God loves all of us, and that is a Divine Truth.

[Credendovidis]

Cred, You are supposed to say "I believe' or "that's my belief' or "in my opinion' before you make statements that like.

I stated

Atheists do not go to Court because they are offended by prayer.
They go to Court because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.
So my statement was correct ...

Why should I say "I believe"? Atheists do not go to Court because they are offended by your prayer. Why would they?
Atheists go to Court because theist prayer does not belong in public schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.
There is no belief involved in what I stated. Just logic and reality.
So my statement was correct...

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At the other hand : if you state "God tells me to do ...." than you make a religious CLAIM, and you should state "I believe" in front of that.


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[N0help4u]

Why should I say "I believe"? Atheists do not go to Court because they are offended by your prayer. Why would they?
You believe that they do not go to court because they are offended, but in the USA it is common practice for people to go to court over what they are offended by

Why should they?
Why do a lot of people do the things they do that doesn't make sense?