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    #61

    Apr 22, 2008, 12:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Sure, everyone will love us again because the Obamas' self-loathing brand of liberalism will lead him to genuflect to the world. ...
    Yeah, that's it...how about we just have mass group therapy sessions for all these self-loathing guilt-ridden elitists instead of putting them in charge?
    Where's the self-loathing part?
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    #62

    Apr 22, 2008, 12:37 PM
    1) Economy and 2) war. I suspect the GOP has infiltrated their communities and that for many Amish they just stay at home, farming, crocheting, and baking pies during today's Democratic primary. :)
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    #63

    Apr 22, 2008, 12:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Where's the self-loathing part?
    Michelle expressed it ("constant sense of guilt," we're a country that's “just downright mean"), and Obama is cashing in on it.
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    #64

    Apr 22, 2008, 01:38 PM
    I figure since No one called me or anyone I know to ask who we are voting for this poll is just as good! This is from philly.com (the daily news website)

    Obama supporters may consider it a joyful noise. Clinton's, an unholy racket.

    On N. Broad Street at Girard, a half-dozen Obama fans standing on a concrete median, holding signs entreating passing motorists to "Honk for Obama."

    The majority of drivers are complying. There's a whole lot of beeping goin' on

    Maybe this is why no called anyone I know about who we are voting for so this must be how they get their polling information.
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    #65

    Apr 22, 2008, 03:00 PM
    Bill Clinton has a new strategy, blaming the Democrats' process, "We don't have a nominee here because the Democrats chose a system that prevents that result." Seems I mentioned that after the Texas primary where Clinton won the popular vote but Obama got more delegates. It's hard to figure out where the Dems stand on this popular vote thing, they want it for the general election, Obama had no problem taking more delegates even though he had fewer votes in Texas, but wants the superdelegates to base their decision on him winning the popular vote. I think Bill is right.
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    #66

    Apr 22, 2008, 03:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Michelle expressed it ("constant sense of guilt," we're a country that's “just downright mean"), and Obama is cashing in on it.
    Oh, so you made it up, got it.
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    #67

    Apr 22, 2008, 03:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    In truth I think they will have an easier time with Obama because of 2 factors . 1. he will be the most radical lefty to run ever 2. I think that race would play a part in the decision. I think it is probable that when polled a larger majority of Evita supporters say they would cross over and vote McCain.

    I don't like Evita ;but I think she would be a better national security President than Obama. He has also displayed a redistributional doctrinaire economic position on things like taxes.
    Your hero JFK reduced cap gains taxes to stimulate the economy . BJ Clinton used Cap gains reductions to balance the budget. Obama wants to rasie them in excess of 28% over issues of "fairness" .
    I am looking for the best President . Of the two remaning Dems Obama has proven himself not ready for prime time .
    I agree with you, Tomder! Hillary IS the stronger on national security when compared to Obama among many other things. Hillary has had her husband deal with it every day for EIGHT years! Don't you think that gives her a great "in" on that matter! Of course it does! However, one has to pause to consider why she is not winning more. It's because the public is enamoured with the black candidate rather than the woman candidate because he is a smooth-talker but rather short on substance to get the country "battery-charged" to run great again as when Hillary's husband was President! And the public gets bored way too easily with details as Clinton Provides (check out her website!) and would rather listen to and follow a follower than a LEADER like Hillary. Obama follows the Rev. and others. Hillary follows her conscience that guides her to a great plan she has outlined on her website that will surely help to start solving the nation's problems. Obama would rather waffle with reporters, say cutsie-tootsie quips about his opponent, brush his shoulder with over-stated arrogance and avoid answering the Real Questions that Hillary is not afraid to answer. She's not afraid to go into the lion's den and even if she's not popular with the lions! She goes to confront Goliath and in the process grabs the bull by the horns. That is why one just has to admire her among many other things! She has impressed me greatly by meeting with those who are not with her politically! In this regard, Obama shows great weakness while Hillary's Strength continues to Surge Skyward! But some, most unfortunately, seem to appreciate more a good male actor rather than a True Leader.
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    #68

    Apr 22, 2008, 04:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    She goes to confront Goliath and in the process grabs the bull by the horns.
    She couldn't even grab Bill's bull by the horn and she's married to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    Surge Skyward!
    Is that in reference to rapture theology? I've got some reality check news for you, but that's a whole other subject.
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    #69

    Apr 22, 2008, 07:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by George_1950
    Thanks, Sky; Obama sunk his candidacy in PA and if Dems are smart they will deep-six him before the convention.
    You're welcome, once again, George!

    HILLARY TAKES PENNSYLVANIA! Gotta Love It!!

    And yes, Obama did sink his candidacy (and BIG $$$ MONEY
    $$$) in PA. and it still did him literally no good in the end. Hillary was outspent by more than 2 to 1 and still she took the Big state! Guess Obama was just too bitter for those Pennsylvanians' liking! But they sure sweetened up to Hillary! You're right, George, if dem Dems are smart, they will deep-six Obama before the convention as Obama hasn't won the big states yet either with all his money or his hoopla! GREAT GOING HEE-REE!! This gives her great Momentum to continue and attract even more Superdelegates! She's on the roll now!
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    #70

    Apr 22, 2008, 07:52 PM
    Try to keep up. She was supposed to take Pennsylvania due to demographics. She had a sixteen point lead just six weeks ago, currently hoovering around a ten point margin in the primary, but might not get double digits in the final count. BTW Hillary's begging for campaign charity like those televangelists that mostly far right-wingers entertain. How much money have you donated?
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    #71

    Apr 23, 2008, 04:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    Polls tend to fluctuate like a see-saw but there are some who literally swear by them.
    That was about the polls. And now --- Major Networks are reporting that Hillary has raised about 10 MILLION DOLLARS in the 24 hours after her double-digit Victory in Pennsylvania! Everyone thought it would be a single digit win but even at 10 it becomes DOUBLE-DIGIT for those who don't understand it. Also, it appears that Obama outspent her in the PA. primary by over 5 to 1 not 2 to 1 as previously thought! How 'bout that! Hillary is positioning herself well for the remaining states and Superdelegates who are not locked in to either candidate right now! Great Going Hillary -- CONGRATULATIONS on your Pennsylvania win and may there be Many more!!
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    #72

    Apr 23, 2008, 08:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by progunr
    Why is the answer always raise taxes?

    Why doesn't ANY candidate mention the possibility of CUTTING SPENDING?

    Why are we as voters conditioned to believe that the government spending must always increase, and NEVER decrease?
    I absolutely agree... wake up!:mad:
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    #73

    Apr 23, 2008, 08:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by George_1950
    The SS trust fund is smoke and mirrors. Someone wrote the other day that the Johnson Administration came up with the idea of funding the Great Society with SS trust fund monies. All that remains today are "IOU's".
    George please correct me if I am wrong about this;

    There never really was or is a "fund for social security and the collected dollars are "dumped' into a 'common fund?"

    Our present federal income tax law is a temporary law and must be voted upon ever2 or 3 years to "renew" it?
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    #74

    Apr 23, 2008, 08:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Stringer
    George please correct me if I am wrong about this;

    There never really was or is a "fund for social security and the collected dollars are "dumped' into a 'common fund?"

    Our present federal income tax law is a temporary law and must be voted upon ever2 or 3 years to "renew" it?
    Stringer
    Social Security taxes go into the 'general fund', as far as I know. There is no trust fund. But I recall in 1964: a teacher told me that budget surpluses were like manure: they just sat around and smelled. This teacher knew what LBJ was proposing, but no one anticipated how expensive it would be.

    The income tax law is anything but temporary. The country was founded w/o it, but a constitutional amendment, around 1916, approved the use of income taxes; the guise was paying for WW I; but taxes are rarely reduced, much less repealed. The 'Bush tax cuts' are considered temporary because they are supposed to expire in 2010 or thereabouts.
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    #75

    Apr 23, 2008, 08:59 PM
    Stringer --

    Trust Fund FAQs

    No, the tax law isn't renewed every few years.

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