[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

Something a lot of people don't take into account also, is that if gay marriage was permitted then those peoples, like ministry would legally be obligated to perform the ceremony... Either way you look at it a persons 'rights' are going to be violated... although I agree with BMI that it is indeed sin.

[alyssarox32]

Committing adultry is sin, stealing is sin, murder is sin, loveing someone is not

[excon]

Hello L:

Never heard of a civil ceremony, huh? I didn't think so.

excon

[bushg]

Leid... where is a law that says that a minister has to perform a gay persons ceremony. I can't believe that.. Why couldn't they just say no.

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

So do you get offended when a hetero couple show affection in public?

I don't, not at all, if a heterosexual couple is married and in love, go for it. I don't want to see a gay couple together, as much as I don't want to hear the music played in the bistro, or the TV they subject you to in the doctors offices or anything else. Its just something we have to ignore on a personal basis and stand up for when you're opinion will actually get somewhere.
Christians mix up love to be tolerance all too often. Its kind of pointless for me to even be on this site, nothing gets across like this anyway... blah.

[bushg]

So it is OK to kiss in public and hold hands only if your married but if anyone else does it it is wrong?
For myself I don't care who holds hands or gives a quick peck... but I don't want to see anyone swallowing tongues or feeling anyone else up. I think there is a time and place for everything, whether you are a christian or not.

[simoneaugie]

All too frequently, the "rules" are an intellectual guilt factory. To accept your fellow man as yourself, it may be necessary to leave the church and forget the dogma. To become closer to God and the homosexual sitting next to you try thinking for yourself. Take responsibility for your own decisions, quit falling back on what has been written and taught, in words. Actions, including religious wars speak louder.

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

Leid...where is a law that says that a minister has to perform a gay persons ceremony. I can't believe that..Why couldn't they just say no.

Anyone with a license to authenticate any legal document is obligated to do so, and to deny is considered prejudice, like if a minister refused to marry a black couple, only difference, before someone jumps on that one, is that there's nothing wrong with your race.

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

Commiting adultry is sin, stealing is sin, murder is sin, loveing someone is not

Of course not, its actually a commandment TO love... but what you're talking about isn't love, its motivated by selfish desire/lust.
What do you think about NAMBLA? North American Man Boy Love Association. Is that okay? I mean, everyone is entitled to 'love' right? Because that is the type of love you're referring to, a sexual, intimate love, naturally created to be shared by a one man, and one woman.
Ive known a 14 year old who dated a 19 year old, terrible I know, but a good example. The 14 year old thought through and through that she was completely in love with the grown man, and as did he, but they were involved in a relationship that wasn't appropriate, even to sexuality.
I had to use that because I could see someone using the argument that "well in NAMBLA the little boys dont have a choice, or dont love back"
But the catch is this, that the 14 year old didn't understand sincere and true love, and it turned into a sick, and inappropriate relationship that should not have ever been.

[NeedKarma]

Anyone with a liscense to authenticate any legal document is obligated to do so, and to deny is considered prejudice, like if a minister refused to marry a black couple, only difference, before someone jumps on that one, is that theres nothing wrong with your race.

Actually I would side with bushg on this one. I am for gay marriage but the church should not be forced to do it since it is against their doctrine. A civil ceremony should suffice... for anyone really.

[bushg]

I really don't think a gay couple would want their special day marred by someone that found their love to be replusive.
Anyway that is a pretty lame excuse for not legalizing it.
Look at birth control... some people don't believe in it. Look at mixed/interracial marriage... get my point.

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

I really don't think a gay couple would want their special day marred by someone that found their love to be replusive.
Anyway that is a pretty lame excuse for not legalizing it.
Look at birth control...some people don't believe in it. Look at mixed/interracial marriage...get my point.

On a normal basis no, but there are plenty out there who A. want to make a point and would look for the excuse to make someone definitely against it have to do so, or B. Plenty out there looking for some extra spending cash, how easy! Just sue a minister!

[Love-Life]

I don't see why anyone would be against it. It is an individuals decision to marry someone they are in love with, sex should have nothing to do with that. And why shouldn't it be legal? I would like someone to give me one good educated, logical reason why a person cannot be gay and marry someone of the same sex. For one, it does not effect anyone else, number two, it is nobody's business who we marry. It's the same as saying you can't marry someone because they are too short or too ugly! If we love that person it doesn't matter, its our life right? I believe people who don't accept it are uneducated and close-mined, (close-mindedness is usually from being ignorant about something). Its kind of like racism in a different form. And its not right! Gay people are people too.

[kraz]

Are you for or against Gay Marriage?

Stonwilder's story is sad, and I agree there should be the same legal protection for all couples.

Just asking, if a house is in joint names can it sill be taken away by the deceased's family?

[Love-Life]

One could argue a topic like this for years and years.

I personally am against same sex marriage. I am Catholic and do beleive it to be a sin, however, I come to the conclusion not based soley on what the Bible or other religious works say about it.

I just think it is an un-natural thing,homosexuality in general. I mean the human body was made for specific reasons and man figured outlong ago that if you put this there it feels good and sometimes a small little person comes out in te near future. It makes sense, putting something where it does not belong is un-natural. The penetration of the tool into a place that is not intended for it to go is again, un-natural. Viewing it like this makes sense to me and it is consistent with religious teachings, I beleive the Bible refers to the act as an abomination and the Koran mentions it being un-natural as well.

I take no issue with those who are gay, I sin too and so my sins of being straight may be even or even more serious than that of a gay person, so i have no issue with the individuals themselves. However, if any one agrees that it is un-natural human behaviour, it would stand to reason that one would not support marriages and openly flaunting exhibits from the gay population. My city has a HUGE parade in the summer and I don't support it being so "out in public" because I do beleive it is a sin.

Yes and I can say Im Buddhist or Muslim. I don't like it when people use religion as an excuse for being rude and ignorant towards specific types of people. I am atheist and I am just as much as a person as you. Im not gay but that doesn't matter. It may be sinning in your eyes but you obviously don't look beyond the sexual part, which I believed Christians were souposed to do? You cannot judge anything with a full compassionate heart because you allow your religion to control your morals with a set of guidelines, one being against gays? God is souposed to love all his children right? A person cannot control their feelings of love towards someone else, same sex or not. If we they never souposed to feel that way, God would've created them so it would never happen right? Please answer that.

[Love-Life]

I think that while some of the IDEAS in the Bible are great---unless you live by ALL of them, then don't start quoting just one or two of them to me.

I also think that this is exactly the reason I'm NOT Christian. I don't HAVE to call it a sin, then. And...marriage is a valid Wiccan tradition too--and most Wiccans don't have a problem with same sex couples. So--let the same-sex couples get married in the Wiccan faith, and there's no problem, then, right? I mean, it's not a CHRISTIAN marriage, it's a WICCAN marriage.

I just hate the fact that people are so dead set against the use of the word "marriage". Want to call it by the Sanskrit name for marriage, then? or the Roman word? I don't care!

I agree with what someone else said earlier--gay couples aren't destroying the "sanctity" of marriage--straight couples are doign a great job of it themselves, with the high divorce rate.

I couldn't agree more. Sex has nothing to do with this matter. Getting a divorce is a sin too probably, everything is a sin.

[KalFour]

I'm completely for gay marriage.

First of all, marriage isn't about religion. And until a few hundred years ago, a bond between a man and a woman didn't involve any ceremony at all (except for the wealthiest families). Modern marriage ceremonies exist for the purpose of creating a legal bond that protects the rights of 2 people and their union, as well as any children that might be born as a result. The ceremony that goes with it can be for religious purposes or just as a celebration of love, but the ceremony itself is unnecessary.
If a church doesn't want to recognise gay union, that's fine. That church is perfectly entitled to refuse gay couples to get married according to their doctrine... however, this should not have any impact whatsoever on the couples right for legal recognition. If they're not married under God (whatever god you happen to believe in) there's no offence given to those of the faith... so what's the problem? You can't just say "it's wrong". And there's no point arguing that it's a sin against God if the marriage isn't a religious one.

Also, in the western world the divorce rate is approximately 50% of marriages, so it's not as if the sanctity of marriage is exactly going to be under threat at all.

[talaniman]

The gay couples I know, and have been living together for a long time, have legal documents, and wills to protect their partners.

[Questionshelp]

So do you get offended when a hetero couple show affection in public?

No but I sure would like for it to be discreet.

[NowWhat]

If someone is having a make-out session on a public bench - it isn't appropriate. Gay, straight - whatever. There is a time and place for everything.
I don't want to see ANYBODY get their groove on in public.
Saying that - a simple kiss or hug is different. I kiss my husband in public. I don't care if a gay couple do the same.
It is when it is taken to the next level that it bothers me. But, again, I am equally "offended" by gay OR straight.