[talaniman]

Let 'em howl! Howling has never stopped repubs from doing what they want, so why should it stop the dems?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

How did your guy put it? What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander.. He's right.

Look. The Democrats aren't always going to be in the majority. I'm FINE with Democrats living under the same rules. Simple up or down votes work for me. Let's move FORWARD.

excon

[speechlesstx]

So when Republicans take the Senate back are you going to miss the filibuster?

[talaniman]

When was the last democratic filibuster in a republican controlled senate? When will repubs take back the senate?

[tomder55]

Well the gang of 14 prevented the use of the nuclear option. So it's not really sauce.

I like the fillibuster for the reason the founders designed the Senate. Here is the analogy Washington used... the Senate was created to "cool" House legislation just as a saucer was used to cool hot tea . Madison said it was to be the great "anchor" of the government. Madison explained that the Senate would be a "necessary fence" against the "fickleness and passion" that tended to influence the attitudes of the general public and members of the House of Representatives.The filibuster is a good thing because it frustrates, literally and intentionally.

A fillibuster has not prevented the Senate from passing a budget . A fillibuster has not prevented the President from proposing a plan to steer away from the fiscal cliff . Why should the President care about Senate rules anyway ? It didn't prevent him from making recess appts when the Senate was still in session.

[speechlesstx]

When was the last democratic filibuster in a republican controlled senate? When will repubs take back the senate?

So you don't want to answer the question. I understand.

[tomder55]

I got a different solution. Get rid of the changes to the fillibuster rules the Robert Byrd Senate made in the 70's . Before then ;a fillibuster shut down the Senate until the issue was resolved. But the Byrd rule changes made it possible to stall a specific bill or appointment and still conduct other business.

Harry Reid has only himself to blame for the frequency of fillibusters . He acts like an autocrat keeping Republic amendments on the shelf and not allowing them to be properly debated . Frankly the Dems would do well to dump the chump and get a better majority leader . I suspect even the Schmuckster would do a better job.

[excon]

Hello tom:

You FORGOT McConnell's PLEDGE to make Obama a one term president. Then he tried, and tried, and tried. It didn't work. Bummer. People noticed. But, not you.

excon

[excon]

Hello again,

After digesting this and the 2010 elections, I have a final thought. You wingers have a habit of shooting yourselves in the foot. You SHOULD be running the Senate, but you ran some clowns instead. You SHOULD be running the presidency, but you ran some more clowns. Obama was eminently beatable, but you ran Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, the Newster, the forgetful guy, and the pizza guy. Romney was the DEFAULT candidate. If you'da run ANY of the guy's who refused, such as Chris Christy, Rob Portman, Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, and a couple more, you'd be RUNNING THE WORLD.

That you aren't in charge of EVERYTHING is TOTALLY on you.

excon

[speechlesstx]

So is every thread going to be about calling us losers? More of that uniting the country stuff?

[tomder55]

Agreed . My solution would be to change the primary process. Stop using Iowa as the 1st caucus ;have a rotating system instead ;and most important... end all open primaries. Primaries only open to registered Repubics .T Pawlenty would've been the nominee if the Repubics had their heads out of their a** .Mitch Daniels ,my personal favorite had personal reasons for not running... (forget Christe... you guys would love to have the Repubics run another North East big government governor... same with Jeb Bush ) . The Repubics have 30 of 50 state governors ;and Rubio and some others will have more experience in 2016 . There will be plenty to choose from if the country survives the next 4 years .

[tomder55]

Hello tom:

You FORGOT McConnell's PLEDGE to make Obama a one term president. Then he tried, and tried, and tried. It didn't work. Bummer. People noticed. But, not you.

excon

What about it ? What exactly is the role of the minority party ? I'll remind you that when it came to a domestic agenda ;it was GW Bush that crossed the aisle ;not the other way around.

[tomder55]

Looking for solutions and compromise ? Is that the President's posture ?
Obama on tax cuts: Don

To Dems compromise means Republic surrender.

[speechlesstx]

looking for solutions and compromise ? Is that the President's posture ?
Obama on tax cuts: Don

To Dems compromise means Repubic surrender.

Oddly enough the still-campaigner-in-chief is also in favor of Reid's filibuster changes. Something about the American people deserving "a United States Senate that puts them first, instead of partisan delay."

Yeah that would be the same Democrat-controlled Senate that hasn't bothered to even consider a budget for going on 4 years now. The same Democrat-controlled Senate that refuses to consider anything out of the House.

There's a key to understanding what Obama says though. When he isn't referring to himself he really is, as in when he says "the American people deserve a United States Senate that puts them first" he means "The American people deserve a United States Senate that puts me first."

[NeedKarma]

"The American people deserve a United States Senate that puts me first."

That is every single US politician.

[paraclete]

What planet do you live on

[cdad]

Liberty and the way it should be.

Best Second Amendment Video Goes Viral (DollarDVDProjectLiberty.com) - YouTube

[paraclete]

What a tear jurker, what that demonstrates is that arms should be kept in a secure place not in peoples homes

[speechlesstx]

Apparently liberty isn't being able to keep your 100-year-old family business because the feds renege on an agreement...

The Drakes Bay Oyster Company, California's only remaining cannery has been ordered shut down by Interior Secretary Salazar in spite of the fact the federal government convinced property owners in the area to sell their land to the National Park Service in exchange for protection from developers and 40 year leases to be renewed in perpetuity.

The Lunny family which owns the company and employs 30, once featured as an outstanding example of environmental stewardship, was targeted by environmentalists and has fought a 7 year battle with the feds being falsely accused of environmental damage based on manipulated evidence.


The Framing of an Oyster Farm

Environmentalists are cheering the federal bullying of a responsible company into extinction. Liberal compassion at its finest.

Meanwhile, the feds are subsidizing new oyster farms on the east coast.

[talaniman]

Is this about liberty,or legality?

Feds deny Drakes Bay Oyster Company lease renewal | abc7news.com

There are several links associated with this story that are notable. Not taking sides, just looking deeper.