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paraclete · Jun 18, 2014, 08:20 PM

Yes offsighting backups is normal but putting them all in one site is stupid and someone not being able to say where they are or how he comes to know where they are is just plain dumb. All this secret stuff is giving me a headache, I need more coffee

tomder55 · Jun 19, 2014, 05:14 AM

Obama Administration's Claim that Lois Lerner's Emails Are “Lost” Is Ludicrous

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NeedKarma · Jun 19, 2014, 05:33 AM

That article describes an IMAP environment. Lerner could have had the equally popular POP3 setup where the emails do leave the server and live on the suer's computer. The article omits that distinction, I'm not sure why. But typically an organization does indeed have backup files, the only variable is how long they need to save them (how far back) for compliance and disaster recovery/business continuity.

paraclete · Jun 19, 2014, 05:35 AM

ya ya ya ya

speechlesstx · Jun 19, 2014, 05:19 PM

IMAP, pop3 or whatever, there's no way her emails were lost unless it was intentional. They exist somewhere, it's time to stop stalling or time to waterboard someone. This is pure bullsh*t.

NeedKarma · Jun 20, 2014, 02:32 AM

IMAP, pop3 or whatever,

Stupid facts and education, they get in the way don't they when you want to emotionally stir things up.

smoothy · Jun 20, 2014, 05:39 AM

Its also a crime to use other forms of unofficial email to conduct government business or to AVOID being accountable. So its impossible that their email was configured in such a way the communications were not on a server and not backed up and archived... as is legally required in case of a criminal investigation as this is.

Yes email can be configured in other ways where it isn't... but this is one of those cases where legally its PROHIBITED from being set up in order to avoid electronic records being made or kept.

Democrats are known for being lawbreakers and constantly in contempt... Hillary with filegate, Eric Holder with different situations... Obama with Benghazi, the IRS and got knows how many others... somehow they feel the Law doesn't apply to them.

Sure a server could crash... but servers are always backed up... and in this case is LEGALLY required to be backed up... and those backups are offline and can't crash. They aren't even kept on-site...

paraclete · Jun 20, 2014, 05:43 AM

does circularity ever end or is it destined to go around and around forever?

talaniman · Jun 20, 2014, 05:46 AM

Let those crack scandal investigators find their own evidence to match their assumptions.

smoothy · Jun 20, 2014, 06:43 AM

THey already have the proof of wrongdoing... the records were subpeoned... and surprise surprise... only these ones that were asked for were somehow missing. That in itself is a crime... they couldn't have accidentally been deleted... the system is designed to prevent "accidents".

THey are hiding them refusing to turn them over, or they broke the law by deleting them to cover up a crime... either case is crime people can and should go to prison over.

If there was no crime...then way are all of ONLY the suspected peoples emails missing.....not everyone elses.....backups aren't made person by person, they are of everyone mapped to a specific server.

talaniman · Jun 20, 2014, 06:56 AM

Prove it and quite hollering. Nobody brings a rope to their own lynching. Are you a mob of angry townspeople, or true constitutional defenders of the rules?

I vote you are a mob myself. Hypocrites of your rights but no one else's unless YOU say so. We will see how that works out for ya!

smoothy · Jun 20, 2014, 07:04 AM

Federal law requires it... last I heard... Obama isn't above the Federal law... not is any of his minions.

THe ONLY possible way those emails aren't available is through intentional, criminal misdonduct.

Anyone that understand anything about IT, and the legal requirements the Government has , as well as corporate entities when it comes to Emails... would know this. Its already proven... in the courts, and in the law.

talaniman · Jun 20, 2014, 07:12 AM

Thank you for proving the mob mentality now convince a judge of it.

NeedKarma · Jun 20, 2014, 07:36 AM

smoothy is smarter that all judges, lawyers and Mensa members.

smoothy · Jun 20, 2014, 07:39 AM

Needkarma is Canadian and uch obviously doesn't have a clue about American legal requirements that apply to email retention and archiving.

Apparently in Canada... there might not be any such requirement... however this isn't Canada and we do have laws about it that do carry criminal penaltes and jail time for violating.

tomder55 · Jun 20, 2014, 07:40 AM

Let those crack scandal investigators find their own evidence to match their assumptions.

it's called a criminal cover-up. If only we had an Att General with a smidgeon of integrity .

tomder55 · Jun 20, 2014, 07:42 AM

try using the excuse to the IRS that you lost your records.

smoothy · Jun 20, 2014, 07:42 AM

That you for proving the mob mentality now convince a judge of it.

I don't have to... every judge practicing law knows this law exists and so does everyone that works in IT anywhere in the country... its only a few people that chose to pretend it doesn't exist.

NeedKarma · Jun 20, 2014, 07:49 AM

Needkarma is Canadian and uch obviously doesn't have a clue about American legal requirements that apply to email retention and archiving.

yes I do, part of my work is in that field, which includes knowing US regulations - does your job require that? Knowing where cloud servers are physically based is also part of my job.

talaniman · Jun 20, 2014, 07:53 AM

Find the records and prove intent, as you saying its so, doesn't make it so, or point guilt at a guilty party. In legal terms you have allegations. Hollering is one thing, proof is a higher standard. We have heard the hollering and allegations, the burden of proof is in YOUR court.

Leaks to the press and FOX NEWS interviews are NOT proof. But you already know that.