[talaniman]

When you close down all the blue collar jobs and send them overseas then there are no more entry level jobs in America.

[smoothy]

Obama has been doing that... by insisting people with ZERO job skills should be earning what people with several years of experience make...

WHy pay someone that figuatively can't tie their own shoes over $10 an hour when you can get someone overseas to do it for a fraction of that... what might have been worth paying someone here $7.55 an hour... is rarely woth paying then $10+ an hour unless they have actual value that excedes that.

Obamas has done NOTHING that has been pro business in the last 5 years, or that even encourages them... and he's done everything to drive business out of the USA and to overrseas where comparatively there is a more business friendly enviroment.

That's why blue collar jobs have fallen significantly in the last 5 years.

[talaniman]

Obama has been doing that... by insisting people with ZERO job skills should be earning what people with several years of experience make...

WHy pay someone that figuatively can't tie their own shoes over $10 an hour when you can get someone overseas to do it for a fraction of that... what might have been worth paying someone here $7.55 an hour... is rarely woth paying then $10+ an hour unless they have actual value that excedes that.

That's an exaggeration of his wanting to raise the minimum wage like most other Americans want. There are a lot of states rising their minimum wage already and more to follow. Saves taxpayers money too.

Obamas has done NOTHING that has been pro business in the last 5 years, or that even encourages them... and he's done everything to drive business out of the USA and to overrseas where comparatively there is a more business friendly enviroment.

That's why blue collar jobs have fallen significantly in the last 5 years.

The truth is that blue collar jobs have been leaving America for 30 years since the first Bush's "New World Order". Corporations have been running for cheaper labor and sweat shops, and tax havens and done quite well. Workers here have not. What we should dumb down to those other countries like China, and India to compete with them?

[smoothy]

Well.. the results of his actions and the resulting pathetic employment numbers back up my point... every number related to employment was far BETTER when W left office than its been at any point in the last 5 years.


Incidentally... Offshoring went into high gear under Bill Clinton. Not under Bush Sr.

I was involved in setting up a number of data centers for offshore call centers and other offices that were moving operations overseas, and never did more of those at any time than Under Clinton before or since.

Businesses move where its adventageous for them... that happens to be overseas in the hostile business environment that's existed the last 5 years.

[talaniman]

You cannot ignore the job losses at the end of W's term that shed jobs and tanked the global economy because of greedy private sector banks, and their regulatory flunkies, the ratings agencies. The banks have come back with a roar, main street has not.

[smoothy]

More people had jobs at the end of Bushes term than at any time under Obama... a much greater percentage of the population also had jobs BEFORE obama took office... the labor participation rate is now at 30 year lows.

The official unemployment rate was lower when Bush left office than it has ever been in the last 5 years as well. Ignoring the more accurate U2 rate which shows how much worse its really been under Obama.

Every other claim about Obama is pure propaganda. He has made nothing better.

If as you claim Obama has made things better...then why are food stamps and other handout propgrams at all time highs in useage....
If as you claim Obama made things better ...then there should ne no objections to rolling Unemployument compensation as well as welfare and food stamps BACK to the levels under Bush and further reduce them even lower as they aren't needed since things are supposedly so much better for all now. We are wasting huge ammounts of money on those programs as they are no longer needed.

[Catsmine]

The truth is that blue collar jobs have been leaving America for 30 years

It's been a LOT longer than that. "Made in Japan" was a meme in the 60s. "Look for the Union Label" was a commercial in the 70s. Your nemesis Wal-mart hade their "Made in America" campaign in the 80s.

A valid debate can be had as to whether FDR started the move with the Wagner Act or Truman with the Marshall Plan. It's been going on a long time.

[talaniman]

More people had jobs at the end of Bushes term than at any time under Obama... a much greater percentage of the population also had jobs BEFORE obama took office... the labor participation rate is now at 30 year lows.

TRUTH-Bush left office shedding 800,000 jobs a month

The official unemployment rate was lower when Bush left office than it has ever been in the last 5 years as well. Ignoring the more accurate U2 rate which shows how much worse its really been under Obama.

Truth-We had a financial meltdown main street lost jobs, and homes.

Every other claim about Obama is pure propaganda. He has made nothing better.

43 months of job growth (slow as it may be) and the return of prosperity of job creators who haven't made jobs. (wealth extraction of supply siders with no trickle down. A conservative failed business model)

If as you claim Obama has made things better...then why are food stamps and other handout propgrams at all time highs in useage....

No blue collar jobs, they have been going overseas and to Mexico before that for 30 years. Replaced by Walmart and McDonalds service jobs at the low end of the wage totem pole, while prices and profits have been rising steadily, forcing more people into the safety nets just to eat, and pay rent, and energy costs.

If as you claim Obama m

ade things better ...then there should ne no objections to rolling Unemployument compensation as well as welfare and food stamps BACK to the levels under Bush and further reduce them even lower as they aren't needed since things are supposedly so much better for all now. We are wasting huge ammounts of money on those programs as they are no longer needed.

A jobless recovery and higher profits have not trickled down fast enough to provide jobs. Those safety net programs are more needed than ever considering rising costs, low wages, and NO trickle what so ever. Private business has failed and gotten so greedy it's legal robbery. The top 85 people have extracted more wealth than half the population of the entire WORLD!!

Just curious where is your tax haven?

@Catsmine.

True that.

[smoothy]

Bush inherited that from Clinton...

That's the excuse Obamas been using for 5 years...

Incidently.....the last few months of Bushes administration.....everyone knew what was comming....a half black bobblehead disaster that hasn't run anything successfully in his life.

and 5 years later....every prediction of doom and gloom has come true. Elect someone who's sole accomplishment in life was voting present more than anyone in history....you get what you deserved.

[talaniman]

Bush inherited what from Clinton... a balanced budget, an expected surplus??

[smoothy]

What planet have you been living on Tal..

IF you are going to use that logic... then admit Obama is responsible for every mess that's happened the last 5 years... and admit he was a loser for trying toblame it all on Bush. You can't have it both ways...

EIther Obama is responsible for historically bad decisions... or Bush inherited everything that happens under his watch from Clinton.

Oh the storis I could tell about what really went on in the Clinton Admionistration behind closed doors......


One of these days when enough time has passed I'll tell them....

[talaniman]

I blame everything on the right wing extremists who have hi jacked the democracy and the greedy b@st@rd that stole the money.

[smoothy]

You mean the same ones responsible for reducing the spending in Clintons second term by forcing it on Bill, who was not the pig headed ingnoramous we have in the White house now? When the Republicans took control of the house AND the Senate?

I didn't like Bill Clinton, but at least he was a true politition and wasn't above negotiating, and I respected him for that. Obama on the other hand is an arrogant (insert euphamism for a male apendage) who thinks he's a dictator and doesn't grasp the fact we have three co-equal branches of government... despite his bogus and unproven claims of having been a Constitutional law professor...
He clearly doesn't grasp the simplest basics of our Constitution.

[speechlesstx]

Tal, when are you going to blame the guy who single-handedly cut living standards for most of us with Obamacare? Your president made me and millions of others poorer with his promised drop in insurance costs, not to mention all those turned into part timers because he's too stupid or stubborn to recognize the negative consequences of his stupid law, or just indifferent to them as even his allies have noticed.

You guys think we're ignorant and that we haven't noticed this is Obama's economy and that Dems are directly responsible for screwing us over. Nobody believes your guys any more and for good reason.

[Catsmine]

I didn't like Bill Clinton, but at least he was a true politition and wasn't above negotiating

You're right about that much. "Triangulation" was probably Clinton's one stellar achievement. That's why this year's Congressional elections are more important than 2016. If the Senate leadership remains for 2 more years we may not have a 2016 election. Sen. Feinstein is just dying to nominate the "President for Life."

[smoothy]

If the economy is as good as Obama claims it is... then there is rampant and overt fraud in the food stamp program since he came to office.

[tomder55]

The pile on of the Huckster is just part of what has emerged as the Dems attempt to take down any potential Repub candidate for 2016 POTUS election. So far ,in less than a month they have gone after Christe . He'll spend the next 2 years using his resources to defend himself . They have also gone after former Virginia Guv McDonnell . Now the Huckster is in the cross hairs ..... and lets not forget Dinesh DeSousa . For the Dems this is a blood sport . The Repubs should keep that in mind .

[talaniman]

Well we have to vet you guys pretty good Tom. No doubt you will do the same.

[tomder55]

nah we don't have the Holder Justice Dept running roughshod over the process.

[talaniman]

That'll change when Cristie or Bush get elected I'm sure.