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    #701

    Jan 24, 2014, 03:34 PM
    not the right way to put it ex that remark only applies to some women
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    #702

    Jan 24, 2014, 03:39 PM
    Which ones Clete?
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    #703

    Jan 25, 2014, 07:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Mike Huckabee said that if only women could control their LIBIDO, they wouldn't NEED birth control. Rush Limprod agrees, if they weren't such SLUTS, everything would be cool...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
    Except you know that's not what he said. He said that's what Democrats believe and it is true, you think women aren't smart enough or capable enough to live without a government nanny, I.e. Julia. That's your war on women.
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    #704

    Jan 25, 2014, 07:24 AM
    Mike Huckabee Makes Epic Flip-Flop On Birth Control Coverage?

    Huckabee signed state legislation in 2005 that required all health insurance plans providing prescription drug coverage to cover contraceptive drugs and devices as well. According to the Arkansas Times, Huckabee's exemption for religious organizations was actually narrower than the exemption in the Affordable Care Act:
    But like the original federal regulation proposed by Obama, the Arkansas law did not exempt church-affiliated hospitals and universities. It exempts only "religious employers" that are nonprofit organizations whose primary mission is "the inculcation of religious values," and primarily employ people who share the same religion, a standard few Catholic hospitals meet.
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    #705

    Jan 25, 2014, 07:42 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    Except you know that's not what he said. He said that's what Democrats believe and it is true,
    Yeah, I saw O'Reilly spin it that way, but he said what he said.

    I DO agree, though, that he said it SOOOO inartfully, ANY interpretation could be made of it.

    Beyond that, libs believe women's health care ought to be covered just the same as men's. You DON'T. Your side thinks HER boss should decide what health care she gets.. That's STUPID, MEAN, and VERY VERY much a WAR on WOMEN!!

    excon
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    #706

    Jan 27, 2014, 07:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    Yeah, I saw O'Reilly spin it that way, but he said what he said.

    I DO agree, though, that he said it SOOOO inartfully, ANY interpretation could be made of it.

    Beyond that, libs believe women's health care ought to be covered just the same as men's. You DON'T. Your side thinks HER boss should decide what health care she gets.. That's STUPID, MEAN, and VERY VERY much a WAR on WOMEN!!

    excon
    The only spin is from your side. I got chastised over taking Schmucky out of context and yet this obvious distortion gets off? What the hell? Here's the context:

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    It's unequivocally clear he said this is what Democrats think, so give it up.
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    #707

    Jan 27, 2014, 01:52 PM
    " I got chastised over taking Smucky out of context and yet this obvious distortion gets off."

    Fair enough comment.


    Others may join in of course, but how about you take care of the left-wing distortions and I take care of the right-wing distortions? This would suit our political leanings.
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    #708

    Jan 27, 2014, 02:32 PM
    Why did Huckabee sign as governor of Arkansas a law that made contraceptive coverage a part of an insurance policy despite the religion, and now as part of the ACA law he derides it as making woman dependent on government sugar?


    Why does the right always run away from their own ideas when it shows up in the lw they vote against? You holler about the presidents poll numbers but ignore the republican poll numbers, wonder why?

    I have supplied links to that effect which the right ignores rather than explains. Leads me to believe the right is stalling, BSing, or BOTH.

    Explain to me why it takes 3 republicans to rebut the upcoming State of the Union address tomorrow?
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    #709

    Jan 27, 2014, 03:53 PM
    Why did Huckabee sign as governor of Arkansas a law that made contraceptive coverage a part of an insurance policy despite the religion, and now as part of the ACA law he derides it as making woman dependent on government sugar?
    What does Huckabee's comments on the difference between how Republicans and Democrats treat women have to with religious exemptions on contraceptive coverage? Nothing, they're separate issues.

    And if nothing else it belies the ridiculous idea that Republicans, including the religious right, are anti-contraceptive neanderthals.
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    #710

    Jan 28, 2014, 07:24 AM
    People that don't have the money to buy a condom or "The Pill" don't have the financial resources to have and raise a child... and therefore should be abstaining from sex until they do.
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    #711

    Jan 28, 2014, 01:42 PM
    You know as well as I do that few can abstain from sex, whether they have money or not. Hell those that take a vow of abstinence have trouble abstaining.

    We have huge forums here that illustrate that point.
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    #712

    Jan 28, 2014, 01:47 PM
    That's their problem then... not ours to finance.


    The point being....they can easily afford the small cost of birth control themselves.
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    #713

    Jan 28, 2014, 01:59 PM
    Few of us can ignore the need to breed so investment in prevention of pregnancy is a reasonable alternative for those with no money but a high libido. Better that than the costs to society of the consequences of unprotected breeding by those that can barely afford a pot to piss in.

    Good luck with just say NO during a full moon and a willing partner. After a load is dropped is to late for regrets.
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    #714

    Jan 28, 2014, 03:14 PM
    You avoided responding to my point that ALL of these people have the money to buy their own birth control... they have it to waste on stupid stuff if they lack the capacity to keep their clothes on. If they can afford to date they can afford the tiny amound birth control would cost. A months worth of condoms cost less than half their monthly cell phone bill even on a basic prepaid service.

    The Pill at Walmart cost $9.00 a month which is even less.


    What I suggest is reversible sterilization operations for everyone on some form of public assistance....above the age of 12.....male or female FREE at no charge and manditory to collect handouts.. When they can afford to have it reversed...they can afford to support and raise a kid. And they will be off the doll.
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    #715

    Jan 28, 2014, 07:21 PM
    Like the rest of the world a growing number of American women are making use of the morning after pill and it's getting cheaper and more available. Speaking of Walmart its those workers who are on the public dole since 7/8 bucks is hardly a living. Not with kids. Lets not limit this too just women as a growing number of men are raising kids without females also, and trying to get better jobs that are not that widely available. Life is tougher than you acknowledge and its not always the fault of workers with no skills.

    I will pass over the forced sterilization as being way out there.
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    #716

    Jan 28, 2014, 07:37 PM
    No sterilization then they forfeit getting tax dollars... if they can afford to breed.. they can afford to pay for them, themselves.

    THose of us who actually have a shred of responsibility... don't have kids we can't afford... because we are smart enough to take the required precautions.

    And you have seen the numbers of people dumb as stumps with the "Duh...I had unprotected sex...could I be pregnant?" Seriously... these people should not be allowed to breed if they don't understand that much. Women knew this eons before sex education was put in schools... so what is the excuse other than lower intelligence being bred into certain communities?

    There is NOTHING wrong with conditions being attached to handouts... in fact there are almost always strings attached every other time.

    We aren't talking hysterectomies and neutering... we are talking reversible procedures that are commonly had by the responsible members of society every day.

    Taking a pill every day is obviously too much of a burden for some of these women... but if you could smoke it I'm sure they never forget to do that.

    And to be fair with the other gender as well, the idiot guys who are too lazy to put a condom on because it takes a few precious seconds... I guess if you can't last more than a minute or two a few seconds is a long time. They should have vasectomies... if they bothered to pay their child support bills they would learn to keep their zipper up.
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    #717

    Jan 28, 2014, 07:59 PM
    Geez smoothy, don't be so hard on those not as blessed with your common sense and brain, or work ethic or experience.
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    #718

    Jan 28, 2014, 08:00 PM
    As long as I have to pay higher taxes as a result of their stupidity and laziness... I'm going to be.
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    #719

    Jan 28, 2014, 08:22 PM
    You pay more in taxes to subsidize Walmart and GE profits than you do for poor people.
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    #720

    Jan 28, 2014, 08:46 PM
    No... I pay far more to people that don't work... have never worked... and don't have the desire to work.

    And every dollar I pay in taxes to support their lazy butts is a dollar I don't have to put towards my future retirement... or to spend on something that will support jobs of people who actually get up in the morning.

    People at Walmart actually work... unlike the welfare class.

    Walmart is meant to be a starter job... meaning a first job to get experience... not to be a career to raise ten kids on because you can't be bothered to use birth control. YOU get work experience and move on to other better paying jobs.... its intented to be entry level....thats what entry level is.

    THEY even say as much unless you get into management.

    People that spend 10+ years in an entry level job need to revist their lack of ambition and the choices they make in life.

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