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tomder55 · Mar 3, 2014, 07:05 AM

I'm after the truth ,but not at the expense of letting the bad actors off the hook.

The only reason the TP groups are getting their status restored is because the IRS is running scared over what is going to happen when the truth is revealed. It's too late for the 2012 elections ...the damage is already done... the emperor's regime restored.
But ,the nation cannot allow such extensive abuse of powers to go unpunished. If it was your side that was the victim ,you'd be howling about it and demanding the same extensive investigation we are.

excon · Mar 3, 2014, 07:55 AM

Hello again, tom:

If it was your side that was the victim ,you'd be howling about it

SIDE??? I'm a taxpayer... THAT'S who's side I'm on.

I'm a businessman. I'm ALSO a politically active liberal. I've been audited MANY times over the years. It started under Republican H.W. Bush. I asked them WHY I was being audited. They didn't tell me. I suppose I COULD say I was a victim - that I was targeted... But, I'm not into fantasy.

What you wingers are calling "targeting", is the IRS simply auditing tax returns, which is what it does. Lois Lerner will say NOTHING other than that.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 3, 2014, 08:09 AM

no it isn't ;it is denying them due process by denying them certification just because they have a different political position than the emperor. As a business man you could still conduct your business ...right ? These groups were denied their right to conduct their business .

excon · Mar 3, 2014, 08:22 AM

Hello again, tom:

These groups were denied their right to conduct their business .

Nahhh... They were audited.. When the audit was complete, and they proved what they were claiming, they were given their exemption.. In fact, the only group to be DENIED its tax exemption, was a LIBERAL group.

excon

speechlesstx · Mar 3, 2014, 08:34 AM

Not only are they still not allowing these groups to conduct "business," they've formalized the abuse as I noted before.

About a month after the IRS inspector general released his bombshell report about IRS targeting of conservative groups last May, Acting IRS Commissioner Danny Werfel unveiled a "plan of action" for correcting the mess. One highlight was that targeted groups would be offered a new optional "expedited" process for getting 501(c)(4) status.

The deal, which received little public attention, boiled down to this: We'll do our job, the IRS said, if you give up your rights. Those taking part in the "expedited" process had to agree to limit to 40% the amount of spending and time (calculated by employee and volunteers hours) they spend on political activity. Current 501(c)(4) rules allow political spending up to 49%, and have no "time" component. The clear point of the "deal" was to use the lure of 501(c)(4) approval to significantly reduce the political activity of targeted conservative groups going forward.

Where is their authority hold people hostage to such "deals"?

speechlesstx · Mar 3, 2014, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
Nahhh... They were audited.. When the audit was complete, and they proved what they were claiming, they were given their exemption.. In fact, the only group to be DENIED its tax exemption, was a LIBERAL group.

excon

Oh yeah, they 'targeted' a whopping 3 liberal groups I believe while around 500 conservative groups were targeted, some of which STILL have not received an answer after even more scrutiny . And don't forget, this all began with Lerner apologizing for targeting conservatives so spare me the bullsh*t.

talaniman · Mar 3, 2014, 09:02 AM

No it started with the money flooding the campaigns of politician which have been a problem a long time. No body wants to put their name on it either.

tomder55 · Mar 3, 2014, 09:04 AM

I'll give you a name . George Soros.

excon · Mar 5, 2014, 08:03 AM

Hello again,

I dunno the FULL story, (I'm watching it now) but your crack investigator BLEW it once again.. Lois Lerner IS pleading the 5th. Who, other than your crack investigator, thought she wouldn't??

Then Issa and the Republicans walked out...

Watch this space...

excon

speechlesstx · Mar 5, 2014, 08:39 AM

Yep, she did it again then Elijah Cummins blew a gasket and called Issa "un-American," which obviously is the liberal meme of the week. Obviously there isn't even a "smidgeon" of corruption involved.

excon · Mar 5, 2014, 09:05 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Obviously there isn't even a "smidgeon" of corruption involved.

Again, IF my president is corrupt, I want him IMPEACHED.

Look.. If you're NOT embarrassed by Issa, I'm embarrassed FOR you. This was SUPPOSED to be the big reveal.. IT was SUPPOSED to be Issa's BIG gotcha moment.. He SUPPOSEDLY KNEW that she was GOING to testify.. He SUPPOSEDLY was IN communication with her lawyer...

NONE of that happened.. Issa fell FLAT on his face....

IF there ever WAS a smidgeon of corruption involved, Issa BLEW his chance to find out. Now, we'll NEVER know if Obama is a crook or not.

Is that gonna STOP you from asserting he is???? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

talaniman · Mar 5, 2014, 09:09 AM

Shame we took a year to arrive at the same place as we were. Wonder who pays for this waste of time?

speechlesstx · Mar 5, 2014, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
Again, IF my president is corrupt, I want him IMPEACHED.

Look.. If you're NOT embarrassed by Issa, I'm embarrassed FOR you. This was SUPPOSED to be the big reveal.. IT was SUPPOSED to be Issa's BIG gotcha moment.. He SUPPOSEDLY KNEW that she was GOING to testify.. He SUPPOSEDLY was IN communication with her lawyer...

NONE of that happened.. Issa fell FLAT on his face....

IF there ever WAS a smidgeon of corruption involved, Issa BLEW his chance to find out. Now, we'll NEVER know if Obama is a crook or not.

Is that gonna STOP you from asserting he is???? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Yes obviously you wanna know. I refer you back to this post of tom's.

talaniman · Mar 5, 2014, 09:51 AM

Well storming out of the hearing didn't get us closer to anything.

speechlesstx · Mar 5, 2014, 10:22 AM

Storming out? The only one who didn't remain calm and in control was Cummins. It ain't over, this email from Lerner was tweeted by Greta today, "Tea Party Matter very dangerous":

Obama takes a swipe at SCOTUS over Citizens United, the IRS ADMITTEDLY targeted TP groups "inappropriately" and then Lerner is warning about legal implications?

Nah, nothing remotely fishy here.

excon · Mar 5, 2014, 10:59 AM

Hello again, Steve:

I refer you back to this post of tom's.

Yeah, I saw that post. I didn't comment on it then, or maybe I did. Nonetheless, the claim is patently WRONG. Even on a cursory view, it falls flat. Think about it.

The fact IS, you can claim your 5th amendment rights on a question by question basis. Otherwise you would have to refuse to give your name in case a question far down the line might incriminate you. You cannot be expected to predict what questions you might be asked, which might require you to claim the fifth.

excon

tomder55 · Mar 5, 2014, 11:04 AM

Dershowitz: IRS official Lerner 'can be held in contempt' of Congress | TheHill

excon · Mar 5, 2014, 11:20 AM

Hello again, tom:

I did NOT say she couldn't be held in contempt. I simply said that opening your mouth ONCE does NOT mean you waived your 5th Amendment rights...

IF she's held in contempt, the issue will swirl around whether making an opening statement is "shutting off the spigot". Issa will LOSE again. You simply CANNOT be compelled to be a witness against yourself. Nothing could be clearer. Does it bother me that Dershowitz disagrees with me? Nahhh.

Look... I dunno WHAT'S so damn important about making SURE Lois Lerner goes to the slam... REALLY... You're DOING this to get to Obama, aren't you??? NOBODY wants Lois Lerner... You want the BIG cheese. How come Issa WON'T give her immunity??? HOW COME???

excon

tomder55 · Mar 5, 2014, 11:45 AM

Here's my issue . I have a major problem with using the regulatory and enforcement branches of goverment to stifle political opposition. You should be outraged too .

excon · Mar 5, 2014, 11:53 AM

Hello again, tom:

I have a major problem with using the regulatory and enforcement branches of goverment to stifle political opposition.You should be outraged too .

I AM. But, Lois Lerner HAS NO political opposition. She's a bureaucrat. IF the president ORDERED her to do it, like you're suggesting, I'd want to KNOW. But, until there's a smoking gun, I DON'T know. You DON'T either. Until I DO, I refrain from flapping my gums about it. You guys? Not so much.

excon