[Wondergirl]

How are you going to help me raise and support the child you won't allow me to abort?

[talaniman]

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Stop basing your argument on assumptions, Tal. You may think women are nothing more than helpless political tools in need of a government rescue but I don't.

There is no assumption in the facts that you force a female to have an unwanted child, and expect her to navigate life with NO help and support. Oh yeah she can always seek charity, but that doesn't raise kids or help her keep a job. It doesn't teach her to fish and provide for herself, or else there would be no poor.

Fact is poor people need MORE than just charity, and most of them are women and children. Not knocking what charities do, just there are not enough of them.

A BIG GAP needs to be filled, and who should fill it?

And I do find it ironic that you're OK with telling the very organizations you chastise for allegedly not doing enough, to cease providing such support for the sake of buying a hapless Georgetown grad's contraceptives.

It's the churches CHOICE to stop providing the services it can over the issue of free contraceptives. Or any other for that matter. I reject the notion that the church is above mans law. I reject the notion that man is subject to the church.

That's the problem with liberals, you want it both ways. You whine and moan that we don't care while interfering with our ability to do just that.

I reject the notion that the church can deny the benefits, and protections of the law to citizens. I know churches and charities care, but I also want them to obey he law.

Are you saying the church is a private business that should write its own rules? That's IRAN, not AMERICA!!

You want to replace what works with a cold, heartless government bureaucracy. People are not pawns, Tal.

Sounds good on paper, but in fact EQUAL PROTECTION under the law doesn't replace charity, nor stop your good works, you just say it does. Like I say, administer your charity and we will vote for the lawmakers.

Or is it the church way, or the highway?

[speechlesstx]

There is no assumption in the facts that you force a female to have an unwanted child, and expect her to navigate life with NO help and support.

If you don't begin with the facts you can only argue on assumption. I don't FORCE anyone to have a baby, and the church is not infringing on anyone's rights. Try and stick to the facts.

[talaniman]

Okay lets have some facts.

Do you vote for those that promise to make abortions illegal and defund places that women go for health care by professionals, because they have no money? Or insurance?

[speechlesstx]

Okay lets have some facts.

Do you vote for those that promise to make abortions illegal and defund places that women go for health care by professionals, because they have no money? Or insurance?

I vote for people who support alternatives to abortion and Planned Parenthood. I've made no bones about it, I wouldn't give PP a nickel. It's one of the most vile organizations ever schemed up in my opinion. I don't consider them a legitimate "health care" provider for the mere fact they are driven by an agenda, not healing.

[Wondergirl]

I vote for people who support alternatives to abortion

What's a "healing alternative to abortion"?

[speechlesstx]

Ask my daughter, ask my friend Mary, ask any one of those women who regret their 'choice.' They want their baby back. They want to be free from the guilt, they want compassion, they want understanding, they want forgiveness, they want healing for their soul.

[excon]

Hello again:

Pregnancy From Rape Is 'Something God Intended'

So, when you lose the Senate AGAIN, you're probably going to say you weren't conservative ENOUGH. We're going to LOVE that.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

"The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother," said Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed state treasurer. "I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

But, since you guys either don't believe in God or like Biden and Pelosi, reject your church's teaching, I can see how you wouldn't understand the struggle to recognize that life in the womb is a baby who had no choice in the matter.

[talaniman]

Why do I have to practice MY religion the way YOU do?

[NeedKarma]

Life IS NOT a gift from a god - it's natural reproduction that occurs whether a god is present. Basic biology. Do wombats consider their litter a gift from god?

[Wondergirl]

Ask my daughter, ask my friend Mary, ask any one of those women who regret their 'choice.' They want their baby back. They want to be free from the guilt, they want compassion, they want understanding, they want forgiveness, they want healing for their soul.

That's not what I'm asking. I asked what do you mean by a "healing alternative to abortion," not healing after an abortion.

[speechlesstx]

Why do I have to practice MY religion the way YOU do?

Why do you have to ask irrelevant questions? I don't care how you practice your religion, why do you care that he believes life is a gift from God?

[speechlesstx]

Life IS NOT a gift from a god - it's natural reproduction that occurs whether a god is present. Basic biology. Do wombats consider their litter a gift from god?

That's your belief, why do I have to believe as you do?

[speechlesstx]

That's not what I'm asking. I asked what do you mean by a " not healing after an abortion.

And I said nothing about a "healing alternative to abortion," I said an "alternative." My mention of healing was in regard to "health care." Look it up.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

That's your belief, why do I have to believe as you do?

Why don't you give me the same consideration? You DO support LAWS based on your beliefs, and you shove them down my throat..

Excon

[tomder55]

Let's see now . A rape involves a rapist and a victim. When there is a pregnancy that results from a rape there is now 3 people involved . When there is an abortion because of the rape then you now have a rapist and 2 victims . But now one of the victims receives the death sentence ;a sentence that most pro-abortionists wouldn't give to the rapist.

[speechlesstx]

Why don't you give me the same consideration? You DO support LAWS based on your beliefs, and you shove them down my throat..

Like Obamacare?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

If Romney wins, Steve doesn't believe Roe will be overturned. It certainly looks to me like you think it will. All pro lifers think the same as you. If someone on the Supreme Court has a chance to STOP the genocide, clearly they WOULD. Who, besides Steve, think they wouldn't?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Dude, Romney's massive gains among women should tell you something... the fear-mongering ain't working.