[tomder55]

It's a different situation. In that case ,the non-union company ,in good faith ,tried to address employee concerns by helping organize 'employee involvement 'committees to come up with suggestions and solutions to disputes between the employees and management regarding with "terms or conditions of employment." . That concept didn't sit well with the unions. They considered that an "unfair labor practice" and obviously undermining their role in labor negotiations . In reality the unions beef was that employees could organize with management assistance to resolve disputes. Unions have actively fought back against any such solutions . Electromantion was ordered to disband 5 EI committees . Organized labor's position obviously is that unless the employees are organized under a labor union ,that they should have no say in collectively negotiating their employment terms. It doesn't surprise me at all that unions would take such a position. Their game is power 1st above employee rights. EI's could possibly lead to a content work force without union involvement . That can't be allowed to happen.

[talaniman]

Management organized teams were nothing but extensions of management. Workers wanted who they wanted on the team, and not just a company parrot. Its not a power grab so much as a voice with teeth. That's why they were outlawed back in the day. In theory Work councils are but a renaming of unions, the process and the procedures to air and resolve work related conflicts is very similar in both cases, and cooperation is the goal.

Makes no sense to have a company weighed body representing the workers interests and concerns.

[tomder55]

outlawed ? EI programs are a regularly employed by many businesses .

[cdad]

Tom, I think they call those HR departments.

[talaniman]

Wonder whose interest the EI/HR looks out for? Is that a conflict of interest? That's why workers organized in the first place, and why they will again. Took years before, and probably will be a lengthy struggle again. Blue collar workers, are the backbone of this nation and a shrinking middle class is part of the economic problem.

[tomder55]

Human Resources may help organize them but they are management and the workforce coming to agreements on terms of employment . http://smallbusiness.chron.com/examp...m s-10647.html http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/report...p/section2.htm Employee participation Developing people business studies and business english | The Times 100

[talaniman]

I realize that's the theory Tom, but in practical application it's an individual employee making his case against a management appointed team even when the HR department is outsourced to private entity. They are still under control/influence of the company interest and the employee is left to his own device.

Don't get me wrong some companies are more fair than others, but few workplace rules are ever changed to accommodate a group of employees even when some individuals may be. And let's be very clear about the type of work being done as office environments and duties are very different from factory floors. Think gender as a major difference, in both culture and job description.

[speechlesstx]

We have more than enough government agencies to regulate the workplace and lotd of women work on factory floors. Shame the White House doesn't pay women equally like factories do.

[speechlesstx]

Now Obama is lying about the drought in the Central California Valley, which I've posted on numerous times. The emperor says it's climate change, he LIES.

California's Drought Isn't Due To Global Warming, But Politics - Investors.com

Water Wars: President Obama visited California's drought-hit Central Valley Friday, offering handouts and blaming global warming. But the state's water shortage is due to the left's refusal to deal with the state's water needs.


Following legislative action last month by Speaker John Boehner and California's Central Valley Representatives David Valadao, Devin Nunes and Kevin McCarthy, whose Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Emergency Water Delivery Act was designed to resolve the long-standing problem of environmental water cutbacks that have devastated America's richest farmland, Obama is grandstanding in California, too.


His aim, however, is not a long-term solution for California's now-constant water shortages that have hit its $45 billion agricultural industry, but to preach about global warming. Instead of blaming the man-made political causes of California's worst water shortage, he's come with $2 billion in "relief" that's nothing but a tired effort to divert attention from fellow Democrats' dereliction of duty in using the state's water infrastructure.


The one thing that will mitigate droughts in California — a permanent feature of the state — is to restore the water flow from California's water-heavy north to farmers in the central and south. That's just what House Bill 3964, which passed by a 229-191 vote last week, does.


But Obama's plan is not to get that worthy bill through the Senate (where Democrats are holding it up) but to shovel pork to environmental activists and their victims, insultingly offering out-of-work farmers a "summer meal plan" in his package.


"We are not interested in welfare; we want water," Nunes told IBD this week. He and his fellow legislator Valadao are both farmers who represent the worst-hit regions of the Central Valley in Congress and can only look at the president's approach with disbelief.


"He's not addressing the situation," Valadao told us.


"They want to blame the drought for the lack of water, but they wasted water for the past five years," said Nunes.


The two explain that California's system of aqueducts and storage tanks was designed long ago to take advantage of rain and mountain runoff from wet years and store it for use in dry years. But it's now inactive — by design. "California's forefathers built a system (of aqueducts and storage facilities) designed to withstand five years of drought," said Nunes.


"We have infrastructure dating from the 1960s for transporting water, but by the 1990s the policies had changed," said Valadao.


Environmental special interests managed to dismantle the system by diverting water meant for farms to pet projects, such as saving delta smelt, a baitfish. That move forced the flushing of 3 million acre-feet of water originally slated for the Central Valley into the ocean

This is bullsh*t, and Dems only want to give us more of it. Instead of a flourishing agriculture industry in California they'd rather YOU pay more for your avocados and oranges, or just import them from Mexico or God knows where or how they were grown - while telling us to eat more fruits and vegetables. All the while padding the pockets of their environmental cronies. Enough already.

[speechlesstx]

Oh, and did you notice that while president climate change was lying about the unnecessary man-made drought in the Central California Valley that he golfed at some pretty exclusive water-guzzling golf courses while hanging with his rich buddies? Nah, you didn't.

[tomder55]

we have that nonsense all the time here in the summer . Water restrictions while water from our county is piped into the rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ for their golf courses.

[NeedKarma]

for their golf courses.

Democrat-only golf courses? Can you back that up?

[tomder55]

don't have to because I never claimed they are Democrat only golf courses . I said rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ .

[NeedKarma]

I said rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ

"for their golf courses."

[tomder55]

yes for the county golf courses ....any other nitpicking ?

[NeedKarma]

Do republicans play at those golf courses?

[tomder55]

I'm sure they pay green fees and play too. any other irrelevent points ?

[NeedKarma]

So it's not a partisan thing then, everyone benefits.
If a republican were at the helm would the water stop being pumped to the golf courses?

[speechlesstx]

Your question is irrelevant. Republicans aren't running around the country whining about the rich while hanging out with them. Republicans aren't running around the country pretending they care about a drought while playing golf on courses that suck up 17% of the area's water. If they were, you can feel free to call them hypocrites, too.

[NeedKarma]

Your question is irrelevant.

No it isn't, you are simply troubled what the answer would show so you skirt the issue entirely. I'm not talking about sweeping generalities of each party, I'm discussing this specific issue; can you do that too?