[jlisenbe]

We beat those horses to death

"We"??? You were perfectly happy with your liars.

[talaniman]

You seem perfectly happy with yours so what's your point?

[jlisenbe]

My point is that you cannot say "we" beat those horses. You had nothing to do with it. You were not part of the "we" at all.

[talaniman]

Neither were you so what is that point again?

[jlisenbe]

The point is that your statement was wrong. Good grief.

[talaniman]

How so?

[Athos]

The point is that your statement was wrong. Good grief.

When you are given proof of Trump's lies you ignore them and revert back to what has already been disproved re your claim about Obama and Clinton "lies". Ignoring Trump lying which has been reported by world-wide media - both right and left - leaves you in an untenable position.

[jlisenbe]

How so? "We beat those horses to death when they happened years ago"

The pronoun "we" would have included you, but you were perfectly happy with your then lying pres, so the "we" was not even close to being correct.

[jlisenbe]

Clear evidence of "Asian Privilege"??? Actually, if you want to see what focusing on education and family (rather than out of wedlock births) can accomplish, just look at this. Asian-American out of wedlock birth rate is 11%. White American out of wedlock birth rate is 30%. Latino is about 50%. Black American out of wedlock birth rate is 75%. Sadly fascinating, isn't it? Still think it's not a big problem?

[talaniman]

Again I must push back on your premise that out of wedlock births are the only, or even primary factors of whole sale poverty. For one it only accounts for women, and for another, totally discounts the long term disenfranchised. You cannot assume that out of wedlock children are fatherless, or don't have male influences, who are as poor and disenfranchised as the women, and are challenged to form that 'family unit' and find success. The whole notion of out of wedlock is a religious one that cannot fully address the real problems of the working poor, and the neglect and exploitation of that class of people, cured only with education and economic exposure. Yes goes beyond race, and culture, to a broader systemic problem.

[jlisenbe]

Again I must push back on your premise that out of wedlock births are the only, or even primary factors of whole sale poverty.

To say that out of wedlock births are not a primary factor of poverty is just completely ridiculous. You are completely out of touch with reality.

Only accounts for women??? Well, that's half the population. Do you not care about women? And how about their children? Do you not care about them?

Long-term disenfranchised?? What are you talking about?

Here is the problem with out of wedlock births for you. It doesn't go along with your narrative of poor black people who are "disenfranchised" and the victims of some sort of racial conspiracy. No, if you accept out of wedlock births as being a major, and probably THE major contributor of poverty, then you would have to accept the fact that it is a problem that can be solved without outside assistance just as soon as responsibility for the problem is accepted, and taking personal responsibility for our own problems is no longer a popular notion. It's just so much easier to tear down statues and engage in protests. It requires no self discipline at all.

I can tell you this for a fact. If black out of wedlock births were 11% rather than 75%, the fortunes of black America would be significantly better.

If you want me to accept your theory of a "systemic problem", then at some point you have to identify what it is.

[talaniman]

Okay let's start with the politics of it. From the 3/5ths of a human value to the same politics that makes the laws and policies to ensure poverty.

I really never expected you to see beyond your own religious fueled biases. Look at your own professing to stop abortions, and anti pregnancy strategies, that can only apply to poor women, and out of wedlock births, by mostly poor women. Yet you don't factor the effects of divorce or of loss through the decades that factor greatly into poverty. That and other reasons are what throw your whole "out of wedlock" premise way off my friend, when its but a symptom of the greater problem of poverty.

We've had poverty even in the good old days when families were intact at a greater rate than now. I know, I understand the need you have for easy simple solutions to long term complex problems, and you are not alone in that, but doesn't make you any more right. You just don't get it yet. Maybe you never will, as the struggle to survive continues, through the arrogance of folks like you thinking you know what's good for somebody else.

A bag of groceries, and a sermon, as well intentioned as it may be, is a bit inadequate.

[jlisenbe]

Okay let's start with the politics of it. From the 3/5ths of a human value to the same politics that makes the laws and policies to ensure poverty.

In other words, you don't have a clue.

its but a symptom of the greater problem of poverty.

It's already been disproven. You must keep up.

Have any thoughts on this? "I can tell you this for a fact. If black out of wedlock births were 11% rather than 75%, the fortunes of black America would be significantly better."

[Wondergirl]

In other words, you don't have a clue.

It's already been disproven. You must keep up.

Now I finally understand why racism exists.

[jlisenbe]

Racial hate incident turns out to be...not so much.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nascars-bubba-wallace-target-hate-crime-fbi-finds/story?id=71415048&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_three_ posts_card_hed

Now I finally understand why racism exists.

Because Tal can't give any current examples of systemic racism??? Well, if that makes sense to you, then go for it.

[paraclete]

Now I finally understand why racism exists.

in this case I agree with you

[jlisenbe]

But you're the same guy who thought we face "a few thousand" Brit soldiers in the American Revolution, soooo.

[Wondergirl]

But you're the same guy who thought we face "a few thousand" Brit soldiers in the American Revolution, soooo.

No mention of how strange-looking a platypus is? Or an echidna?

[talaniman]

JL, I hope you have a plan B, because it may be a good argument but nobody is listening to you. Most all the minorities know you have lied before and they got screwed.

[paraclete]

No mention of how strange-looking a platypus is? Or an echidna?

I'm not responsible for what God has done to confound man, but jl speaks out of anger and pride