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Feb 24, 2014, 11:57 AM
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Shows how weak the Repubics are in Michigan that they won't be able to defeat a Dem in the Detroit area.
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Feb 24, 2014, 12:20 PM
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Nafta sent all the factories south, then overseas, and flooded the US with cheap stuff from cheap labor. Nafta is a regional agreement between Canada, Mexico, and the us.
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Feb 24, 2014, 12:51 PM
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what other country do we have trade agreements where they are flooding our markets will cheap goods ? Do we have such a trade agreement with China ? If not then how is it that they get their cheap goods here ?
Nafta opened Mexico to American goods and services by breaking down their tariffs.
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Feb 24, 2014, 01:08 PM
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If not then how is it that they get their cheap goods here ?
Because it's what Big Biz wants, then big biz buys a few politicians then stuff gets allowed. Easy peasy.
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Feb 24, 2014, 01:27 PM
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Another down side is the loss of higher paid wage jobs and the creation of lower wage jobs highlighted between 1998 and present day. Sure some exporting industries had gains but manufacturing and the states that depended on them went bust.
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Feb 24, 2014, 02:01 PM
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wake up ,this aint the 1940s .The US aint the only game in town . We were never going to hold on to low tech manufacturing . They were lost long before NAFTA. What we gained is markets for our higher tech goods and for our service industry .
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Feb 24, 2014, 02:32 PM
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run that by us again Tom much of your high tech goods are made offshore, what you got left is a defense industry
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Feb 24, 2014, 02:51 PM
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bunk . the real problem is that the US has gotten so good at manufacturing that we don't need as many workers to make the goods. That is the only reason American manufacturing jobs have declined. The rest of the US has been transitioning into the service economy ;and that's just something that we have to deal with. Our future in manufacturing is in exports ,and that's why we need trade agreements to break down the barriers that prevent our goods from entering foreign markets . So as usual ;the anti-free trade people got it wrong and are living in the age of protectionist mercantilism.
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Feb 24, 2014, 03:15 PM
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Tom you live in a fantasy world, what makes you think every other country in the world doesn't have the same objectives. You have operated free trade agreements as a licence to print money and it has backfired on you. The only thing you successfully export is recession. Just to let you know the rest of us are fed up with having our industries ripped apart by decisions made in US boardrooms, we happen to think you have a good grip on only one thing
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Feb 24, 2014, 04:22 PM
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the real problem is that the US has gotten so good at manufacturing that we don't need as many workers to make the goods. That is the only reason American manufacturing jobs have declined.
Oh dear... someone drank the koolaid.
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Feb 24, 2014, 04:50 PM
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No what he means is they are so smart they worked themselves out of a job, the classic case of being careful what you wish for, the great pity is, while they were doing this, they did it to the rest of us as well
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Feb 25, 2014, 09:59 AM
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One in a million shot?
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Feb 25, 2014, 10:14 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
First time I've ever agreed with Bibi.
excon
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Feb 25, 2014, 09:30 PM
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yes leopards don't change their spots
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Feb 28, 2014, 03:10 PM
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These are the people that keep us 'informed.'
From the sharp minds at MSNBC:
Attachment 45729
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Mar 3, 2014, 07:53 AM
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Jerry Brown, in one of his more lucid moments had this to say about legalizing weed.
GOV. JERRY BROWN (D-CA): Well, we have medical marijuana, which gets very close to what they have in Colorado and Washington. I'd really like those two states to show us how it's going to work. The problem with anything, a certain amount is okay, but there is a tendency to go to extremes, and all of a sudden, if there's advertising and legitimacy, how many people can get stoned and still have a great state or a great nation? World's pretty dangerous, very competitive. I think we needed to stay alert, if not 24 hours a day, more than some of the pot heads might be able to put together.
LOL, who'd a thunk it?
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Mar 3, 2014, 08:12 AM
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He's thinking about hundreds of thousands of stoners on the highways .
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