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tomder55 · Oct 16, 2012, 08:35 AM

I can only go by Romney's past. I was opposed to him in the primaries to a large degree because of his prior abortion positions. Do I think a guy who made sure that abortions were available and subsidized in Mass .would move to kill Roe ?

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 08:41 AM

That back alley abortion thing is for the most part, a myth. But I understand, your whole strategy is based on mythical fears.

Wondergirl · Oct 16, 2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That back alley abortion thing is for the most part, a myth. But I understand, your whole strategy is based on mythical fears.

I was a teen during the '50s and '60s when girls my age suffered and even died from self-induced and back-alley abortions. They were trying to hide pregnancies from their church-going parents. Once the parents found out, if the daughter was still pregnant, she was quietly shipped off to "Aunt Melba" in Nebraska.

excon · Oct 16, 2012, 08:47 AM

Hello again, tom:

Mitt Romney said Tuesday he has no plans to push for legislation limiting abortion, a softer stance from a candidate who has said he would "get rid of" funding for Planned Parenthood and appoint Supreme Court Justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade.. . “There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” the Republican presidential nominee told The Des Moines Register in an interview.

The Romney campaign walked back the remark within two hours of the Register posting its story. Spokeswoman Andrea Saul told the National Review Online's Katrina Trinko that Romney "would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life."

I agree that he's flipped flopped so many times on the issue, that you have NO idea what his REAL position is.. But, as I explained before, he doesn't have to DO anything other than appoint a conservative justice, and a case will work its way to their doorstep on it's OWN accord.

excon

speedball1 · Oct 16, 2012, 09:33 AM

That back alley abortion thing is for the most part, a myth.

Really?
When you pull your head out of the sand simply click your heels three times and say, "Take me back to the real world".
You might too young to remember but back in the 60 you could stand near the back door of the doctors office on a Sunday and get high off the ether fumes as he performed abortions. And if Mit has his way we will be jerked back in time to the "coathanger" days.
Is that what you REALLY want? Regards, Tom

tomder55 · Oct 16, 2012, 09:48 AM

I agree that he's flipped flopped so many times on the issue, that you have NO idea what his REAL position is.. But, as I explained before, he doesn't have to DO anything other than appoint a conservative justice, and a case will work its way to their doorstep on it's OWN accord.

Excon

And I go by the position that actions speak louder than words. Under Romneycare abortion was legal ,and covered with a modest $50 copay . He used the courts to circumvent parental consent .

But if he does appoint a consevative judge ;and a case makes it's way to SCOTUS ,and if by some strange circumstance SCOTUS overturns Roe... you won't see me mourning the decision.You can blame the Obamacare case for the precedent that gave them the opening .

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 09:54 AM

I was a teen during the '50s and '60s when girls my age suffered and even died from self-induced and back-alley abortions.

Give me stats. Real ones.

Wondergirl · Oct 16, 2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Give me stats. Real ones.

You know darn well there aren't any. No one talked out loud about stuff like that back then. It was a family secret.

speedball1 · Oct 16, 2012, 10:04 AM

Give me stats. Real ones.

Sarasota Fl. 1965.
Dr, Wiel King. Sentenced to 50 years for running a "pill mill" and performing illegal abortions.
That's the doctor I mentioned in my other post. Convinced? Tom

Wondergirl · Oct 16, 2012, 10:13 AM

"In the 1930s, licensed physicians performed an estimate 800,000 abortions a year." Boyer, Ed. By Paul S. (2006). The Oxford companion to United States history. Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press. pp. 3. ISBN 978-0-19-508209-8.

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 10:14 AM

Really?
When you pull your head out of the sand simply click your heels three times and say, "Take me back to the real world".
You might too young to remember but back in the 60 you could stand near the back door of the doctors office on a Sunday and get high off the ether fumes as he performed abortions. And if Mit has his way we will be jerked back in time to the "coathanger" days.
Is that what you REALLY want? Regards, GTom

Dude, even before Roe the majority of abortions were done by licensed physicians in good standing.

An illegal abortion may be called a "back-alley", "backstreet", or "back-yard" abortion.

The wire coat hanger method was a popularly known illegal abortion procedure, although they were not the norm. In fact, Mary Calderone, former medical director of Planned Parenthood, said, in a 1970 printing of the American Journal of Public Health:

"Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure. This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions as done by physician. In 1957 there were only 260 deaths in the whole country attributed to abortions of any kind, second, and even more important, the conference [on abortion sponsored by Planned Parenthood] estimated that 90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians. Whatever trouble arises usually arises from self-induced abortions, which comprise approximately 8 percent, or with the very small percentage that go to some kind of non-medical abortionist. Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians."

Legalizing abortion "had no major impact on the number of women dying from abortion" according to the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1978.

That's the real world.

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 10:17 AM

"In the 1930s, licensed physicians performed an estimate 800,000 abortions a year."

Exactly, licensed physicians... just like I said above.

Wondergirl · Oct 16, 2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Dude, even before Roe the majority of abortions were done by licensed physicians in good standing.

By 1900 abortion was largely illegal in every state. Roe v. Wade was passed in 1973.

Women knew which doctors were willing to do abortions after hours. My mother was furious when my sister choose as her baby doctor a man who had been doing illegal abortions before 1973.

There are no statistics on self-induced abortions.

excon · Oct 16, 2012, 10:35 AM

Hello Carol:

There's NO proving this to Steve.. It's a MYTH. That is what he believes... Just like he believes that NOBODY dies in this country because they don't have health insurance, and they really don't bust pot smokers.. According to him, those are myths too.. He'll NEVER believe otherwise.

Right wingers LOVE their rose colored glasses..

excon

Wondergirl · Oct 16, 2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Carol:

There's NO proving this to Steve.. It's a MYTH. That is what he believes... Just like he believes that NOBODY dies in this country because they don't have health insurance.. According to him, that's a myth too. He'll NEVER believe otherwise.

Right wingers LOVE their rose colored glasses..

excon

Dear excon:

Are you telling me to give up?

Adoringly,
WG

excon · Oct 16, 2012, 10:41 AM

Hello again, Carol:

I'm suggesting that you post to the world ABOUT the wrongheadedness of his positions. He's the perfect foil.

Lovingly, excon

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 11:06 AM

Sheesh, get a room.

You guys are the ones fear mongering over something you can't back up. I posted what is known by sources you should approve, Planned Parenthood and the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology - not some right to life group. Carol even affirmed my argument that most [illegal -ed. By WG] abortions were performed by licensed physicians.

Are you seriously going to argue that 90 percent of our doctors are quacks that wouldn't follow the same standard of care "after hours" they did during during business hours?

Steve

P.S. There is nothing "wrongheaded" about trying to save a child's life.

talaniman · Oct 16, 2012, 11:10 AM

There is something wrong headed by telling a female or anyone else that YOUR choice should be hers only choice!

speechlesstx · Oct 16, 2012, 11:13 AM

There is something wrong headed by telling a female or anyone else that YOUR choice should be hers only choice!

Considering I have never told anyone any such thing that's just one more myth shot down. Ironically though you seem to have no problem telling religious employers that your choice is the only choice.

excon · Oct 16, 2012, 11:14 AM

Are you seriously going to argue that 90 percent of our doctors are quacks that wouldn't follow the same standard of care "after hours" they did during during business hours?

Hello again, Steve:

That would depend on how many years in the slam they're risking. My take is that they won't risk ANY. What? You're not going to attach a PENALTY for breaking the law? I know, let's put the women in the slam. What's appropriate for murder?

Therefore, since I don't think ANY doctor in good standing is going to risk it, the only ones who WILL are the ones who AREN'T in good standing... I.E. The back alley guys.

Excon