[tomder55]

if not open borders then what is an acceptable level of border control. You guys never get around to that. Me I want the laws that exist enforced . Then we can talk .

[paraclete]

Yes there is no point in having laws if you are not going to enforce them, may as well repeal them

[talaniman]

How about an orderly HUMANE process to evaluate the people who come here, instead of separation, incarceration, criminalization w/o due process, and an end to all this secretly moving folks around and keeping them out of site.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor by first time offenders. A nation of immigrants who cherish the rule of law should do no less than for others than they expect for themselves.

[tomder55]

I know people on Long Island who disagree . Where is your humane empathy for their children ?https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.00fe88293698

[talaniman]

I empathize with the vast many who are facing this problem Tom,

https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/ful...mbers-17509042

Home grown or imported, it's a huge problem. MDK's separating families sure ain't helping find solutions.

[paraclete]

The solution is turn them around at the border

[tomder55]

The solution is turn them around at the border

indeed

[Wondergirl]

The solution is turn them around at the border

To go where?

[talaniman]

You mean before they get to the border because once they get into the US rules and laws apply. Maybe be nice to Mexico like he is to Russia, NK, and the Philippines'.

[tomder55]

CBS poll: What do you think should be done with families entering illegally?

Release entire family back to home country: 48%
Arrest parents, keep kids separate: 4%
Arrest parents, keep kids with them: 11%
Release family in the U.S., require they report for later hearing: 21%

require they report for later hearing

Yeah, right.

[paraclete]

CBS poll: What do you think should be done with families entering illegally?

Release entire family back to home country: 48%
Arrest parents, keep kids separate: 4%
Arrest parents, keep kids with them: 11%
Release family in the U.S., require they report for later hearing: 21%

require they report for later hearing

Yeah, right.

If you have a nice orderly process at the border, which you do, those who cross the border illegally should be returned immediately.

What Tal and others fail to recognise this that these people don't respect your laws so why let them in. They intentionally break your laws so deal with them accordingly. They are gaming the system, knowing that if they are caught you will let them stay while they face court, an opportunity for them to disappear

[talaniman]

Could be DOJ Sessions playing hanky panky like he did here,


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...asy/710796002/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.250db9e89fe6

Maybe we should compare the ones who don't show up in court for status hearings with the legal immigrants who over stay their visits. It's deeper and more complex than the MDK and his sycophants holler about. You trust either of them to adhere to the law? I got a bridge for you!

If you have a nice orderly process at the border, which you do, those who cross the border illegally should be returned immediately.

What Tal and others fail to recognise this that these people don't respect your laws so why let them in. They intentionally break your laws so deal with them accordingly. They are gaming the system, knowing that if they are caught you will let them stay while they face court, an opportunity for them to disappear

Like I told Tom, The Dufus and his sycophants have little respect for the law either.

[tomder55]

so we are back to the emperor's catch and release policy

Top officials at the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged that reality at a meeting Thursday afternoon, according to a former department official with knowledge of the meeting.

“It’s going to be 'catch and release' because they don’t have the detention beds for them,” the former official said.

As a result, expect another crush of family units incoming at the border. Trump the jelly fish caved under the pressure .

[talaniman]

You immigration hardliners have no respect for the law and hide behind sovereignty to go against your own founders sacred Constitution. How inconvenient that piece of paper when it applies to those you don't like. Have no fear though as the Dufus will find more BS crap to whet your whistle soon. It's only Monday.

[tomder55]

have no idea what you are talking about . Do you think the framers wanted open borders ? What unconstitutional position have I taken ?

[tomder55]

the answer of course is that if you stop them at the border then you don't have due process issues to worry about .

more dreamers persuing the American dream.....

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/gang-l...red-in-street/

[paraclete]

Exactly and you don't have to play tag, catch and release. Every one caught should have to pay a fine before release, that would fund the wall

[talaniman]

have no idea what you are talking about . Do you think the framers wanted open borders ? What unconstitutional position have I taken ?

Sure you do. Zero tolerance is unconstitutional, and implemented in a cruel inhumane way. You hardliners think it's okay to separate kids, move them all over the map, and deport the adults without the kids. As for your sacred framers, which you stick like glue to for the 2nd amendment though they could hardly imagine machine guns and bazookas yet ignore the 5th and 14th amendments like they don't exist when it comes to immigration by the brown people.

It clearly states all PERSONS in the jurisdiction of the US is entitled to due process and equal protection under the law (like the Cubans touching soil), and the rhetoric spewing from your side about open borders is bogus since nobody was stopping the lawful deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year, just ask Obama, the deporter in chief. Even catch and release is a made up hyper partisan phrase of the hardliners for the distinct purpose of dehumanizing and vilifying a group to open the door to the inhumane and draconian treatment to follow.

I'm sure all Euro immigrants understand that separate but equal tactics and treatments used against the former slaves and their descendants well after Lincoln freed them. One of Sessions first acts after he recused himself was to eliminate the civil rights division of the DOJ, and the consent decree policy between law enforcement and the people they serve and protect.

the answer of course is that if you stop them at the border then you don't have due process issues to worry about .

more dreamers persuing the American dream.....

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/gang-l...red-in-street/

Thanks for making my point as you hardliners and so called law and order types think it's okay to find ways to get around the constitution and get what you want by DENYING people a chance one way or another. Even your link and the rhetoric you wrap it in falsely and derisively frames 1% of the migrant population, misguided miscreants for sure with the other 99% of human beings that make up the whole. Round 'em all up and shovel 'em in the same pit and cover it up. Yeah it's no wonder you hardliners don't know what the rest of us humans are talking about.

You're to busy following the Dufus down a dark path for a few bucks and a load of red meat cut from the a$$ of people who don't look like HIM.

[paraclete]

Here it is, Tal playing the racism card. Immigration debate isn't about racism, Tal, you want open borders but that means your country is not only flooded with people seeking to leech off your welfare system, it means you are flooded with criminals, drug mules and potentially extremeists

[talaniman]

Try to keep up. 60, 000 REFUGEES from a few violent failed central American countries, mostly women and children is hardly a flood. Geez Clete they barely fill a college football stadium on a Saturday afternoon. Okay a few criminals and dope comes in. My gosh that's a drop in the bucket compared to our own homegrown dope fiends and lawbreakers. As far as a leech on the welfare system goes, nobody leeches off the public teat like the corporate fat cats here by FAR! Just a quick aside though is anybody watching the deficit? That's a bigger story than the brown invasion.

Didn't I warn you about listening to a lying, cheating, loudmouthed bully Clete? When are you going to listen?