[talaniman]

All the major religions are undergoing this transition from the old ways of doing things to a newer more relevant version that sheds strict adherence to dogma and tradition and elevates the preachers of that dogma and tradition to high authority. Some are changing faster than others, and some are resisting that change more forcefully than others.

Changes bring challenges for sure, but no change is an instant success, more of a slow process. For some too slow, and for others way too fast.

[tomder55]

a religion without dogmas . hmmm what a concept . that would be the religion of secular relativism .

[talaniman]

I specifically wrote strict adherence to dogma and tradition not the absence of it.

[1bluesky]

You are controversial to yourself? First you state:

...you can't interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation can you?

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Then you state:

...going into Iraq to root out this evil may be high, but it is entirely justified...

Or you think that Iraq is not a sovereign nation?

If you are still confused as to what to do, think about this: going to anyone's home uninvited to settle the things the way you like, would it be the same as letting someone uninvited to your place to settle the things the way they like!
This will help to any reasonable person.

[tomder55]

so adherence to dogma is optional ?
why would someone be a member of a religion if they didn't believe in the religion's dogmas ?

[talaniman]

You obviously want to ignore the word STRICT, or don't want to acknowledge the power of the imposer of that strictness

[paraclete]

But we can always count of you to blame America for anything and everything .

You see Tom you have to accept responsibility for what you have done, Saddam was your stooge and he ran amoak forcing you to deal with him and in the process...

[tomder55]

The emperor told Chucky Todd that “We are going to have to find effective partners on the ground to push back against ISIL,”..... “And the moderate coalition there is one that we can work with. We have experienced working with many of them. They have been to some degree outgunned and outmanned, and that's why it's important for us to work with our friends and allies to support them more effectively.”

umm.... that would be the Sunni tribes that helped up defeat AQI during the Surge and the Arab Awakening at the end of Bush's term. You know ;the allies we abandoned when the emperor decided to cut and run .

“It is absolutely critical that we have Arab states, and specifically Sunni-majority states, that are rejecting the kind of extremist nihilism that we're seeing out of ISIL, that say, 'That is not what Islam is about,' and are prepared to join us actively in the fight,”
ummm...those would be the states we turned our back on when we supported the Arab Spring movement .

[paraclete]

As I've said before you have to accept responsibility for what you have done

[paraclete]

Kings Cross bouncer Mohammad Ali Baryalei identified as senior ISIL recruiter

I have said for years that muslims represent a fifth column in western societies. We have allowed these people to immigrate under the guise of being refugees but they are once again proven to be liars and still tied to the centuries old ideas. It is hard not to brand muslims as insincere in protecting the country in which they live, but actively supporting foreign wars is not living peacefully. How quickly can recruiting fighters for a foreign war turn to creating and recruiting for a terror cell and launcing attacks. I expect that if we can uncover the activities of one then there are more with similar ideas and intent. This is a maligant cancer we must root out in our societies

[tomder55]

To reinforce your point.... on May 24 ,a man walked into a Jewish museum in Brussels ,and cold and calculated ,gunned down 4 people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uiFaRFvX0I
May 30, French authorities arrested a French citizen, Mehdi Nemmouche for the shootings.His AK-47 was wrapped with a flag of the Islamic State ,and it has been confirmed that he had been in Syria in 2013.


A French photojournalist who had been held hostage in Syria confirmed that Nemmouche was one of his captors and torturers .
Jewish museum shooting suspect 'is Islamic State torturer' | World news | theguardian.com

The French deny paying ransom for the release of Heinin ; But we do know that western states have paid $125 million in ransom in the last 5 years ....presumably the Islamic State has been getting their cut .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/wo...oley.html?_r=1

We already know that there are jihadists with American passports in the battle . Some of them will eventually make it back to the states with murdererous intent.

[paraclete]

if you know this cancel their passport and consign them to the hellhole of their own making, this is what we are doing

[tomder55]

in the works ,if Harry Reid allows a Senate vote ...or the emperor doesn't veto .

GOP bills would revoke passports for people involved with ISIS | TheHill

[paraclete]

Your processes take forever, you should give your executive authority to act without this constant consultation process

[paraclete]

I think Obama said it all, basically we will bomb you back into the stone age, that is if you have emerged from the stone age, so I expect there will be a lot of ISIS living in caves which seems to be the retreat of AQ and it's ilk and when he is finished vast parts of Iraq and Syria will be more of a desert than they are now. Then comes the bigger problem, what to do with Assard, will he go the way of Malaki in the interests of his people or will he hang tight.. he could do a Putin as Malaki has done and take a lesser post for a few years

I think this is a message ISIS will understand, it has the same basic concept they exist with, this planet isn't big enough for both of us, so will they go out in a flash, massed suicide bombings or will they go with a wimper and retreat back to where they came from? A place near to each of us

[tomder55]

Your processes take forever, you should give your executive authority to act without this constant consultation process

yeah all executives lament that they don't have dictatorial powers

[tomder55]

I think Obama said it all, basically we will bomb you back into the stone age, that is if you have emerged from the stone age, so I expect there will be a lot of ISIS living in caves which seems to be the retreat of AQ and it's ilk and when he is finished vast parts of Iraq and Syria will be more of a desert than they are now. Then comes the bigger problem, what to do with Assard, will he go the way of Malaki in the interests of his people or will he hang tight.. he could do a Putin as Malaki has done and take a lesser post for a few years

I think this is a message ISIS will understand, it has the same basic concept they exist with, this planet isn't big enough for both of us, so will they go out in a flash, massed suicide bombings or will they go with a wimper and retreat back to where they came from? A place near to each of us

imagine FDR saying " we will degrade the Nazis until they are a managable problem" . The emperor;King Putt , lost me when he said that the Islamic State was not about Islam.
If you haven't figured it out yet ,the emperor's strategery is the kick the can down the road and hope he doesn't have to do anything until his term is up.

[paraclete]

Tom the Nazi had an army of 6 million maybe more, these idiots have a few thousand unprofessional recruits, you have a long history of targeting militants with drones, etc, this is just more of the same in the meanwhile some professional soldiers might gather enough courage to fight for their country

[tomder55]

when he is finished vast parts of Iraq and Syria will be more of a desert than they are now.

you were listening to a different speech than I heard. We brag about blowing up some Humvees we gave the Iraqi Army . Remember when Bush had a coalition of 35 nations and the libs said "that's not a coalition ! " . What will the emperor's coalition consist of ? A bunch of ME nations that sponsor terrorism .

Then comes the bigger problem, what to do with Assard, will he go the way of Malaki in the interests of his people or will he hang tight.. he could do a Putin as Malaki has done and take a lesser post for a few years

Interesting question in light of how the chess pieces are lining up. Presumably our taking on the Islamic State serves the interest of Assad ;Putin ,and the 12ers in Tehran . Why ? Because they all want to prevent a gas pipeline from the Qatar Pars field through Syria to Turkey ...where Turkey would be the central hub for gas export to Europe.
They would prefer a pipeline to traverse from the Iranian and Iraqi fields ;to Syria ...where Syria could be the central hub for export of gas to Europe.

[talaniman]

Congress has declared no wars, or taken any actions except in front of a camera, and comparing thugs, and criminals to a major religion, is like comparing Jim Jones, or David Koresh, to Christianity.

The agenda of governments and rich guys have little to do with the actions of loonies but wingers are famous for arranging dots to fit the master conspiracy theory. I have no doubt though of the collusion of rich guys to use the crazy guys to gain a few bucks though.

Been going on in the ME for thousands of years, and the Christians have been knee deep in the crap as well.