[talaniman]

We have enough evidence to conclude the right wants everybody to go by their model of moral correctness and limit options to their way of thinking. Add to that the economic pressure on families in today's broken business model, and by today I mean decades, The nuclear family has little choice but to fail.

As further evidence I can submit the activities and behaviors of states with right wing controlled legislatures. They are making laws to promote the limits and basis for women's choices, while letting cities go to pot. Less cops, less teachers, and privatizing entire functions of the state to produce more for profit schools, and for profit prisons, while business elites import more skilled labor, depress or eliminate wages, and benefits, and blame the left for not addressing poverty while they suck all the money out of the economy and publicly denounce the victims of the broken business model as lazy takers.

Displacement and poverty are the effects of the broken business model that has nothing to do with capitalism, or a "free market" and more to do with greed and opportunities for the few.

[paraclete]

Displacement and poverty are the effects of the broken business model that has nothing to do with capitalism, or a "free market" and more to do with greed and opportunities for the few.

Got it in one Tal and how many times have we said it, but it has to do with capitalism, greed is implicit in capitalism

[JudyKayTee]

"The men of yesterday stayed with their families. They had defined roles, boys and dads,daughters and mothers. That's why things were different. Today guys get women pregnant then walk away and act like they have no clue they have a child out there. Women had to evolve into mother and father "super-beings" and while most succeed in raising excellent kids some fall short. We live in a nation of single mothers. Women get pregnant and today still have only one choice, most won't make that choice, so we become mothers, unintentional, in some cases but mothers nonetheless. We don't get to walk away from being pregnant, especially when we can't even tie our shoes. If men could in some way experience the biology of pregnancy I think most would never abandon the child, regardless of how they feel about the pregnancy or the mother. The war on men started with men walking away from their responsibility to their sons and daughters and will end when men "put themselves" back into the equation."

Three posts, one of them on a thread going back to 2009, all of them bashing men, one of them being able to tell that the person asking the question is lying. I'm an investigator - I can guess who I think is not truthful, but I don't have it down to a science.

I see issues and a need to tell the story.

So, why does Mom4Life come on and tell her story?

I don't believe life is "all" of this or "all" of that - if she chose a man who "got her pregnant" (apparently she had no participation in the big event) and then walked away, isn't this as much about her bad judgment as it is about men who walk away?

And I'm the first to admit I've made some questionable choices about the men in my life. I just don't blame all men when I pick a loser.

EDIT: For anyone searching out other posts, at least one has been pulled.

[speechlesstx]

We have enough evidence to conclude the right wants everybody to go by their model of moral correctness and limit options to their way of thinking.

Hogwash, repeat the lie often enough... and apparently you believe it.

Add to that the economic pressure on families in today's broken business model, and by today I mean decades, The nuclear family has little choice but to fail.

For starters, you guys are busy telling us our kids don't belong to us, undermining parental rights, telling women they don't need men, fighting traditional marriage tooth and nail, and as tom said, "the unintended consequences of government social experimentation and attempts at poverty erradication. The reason that some men can walk away is that the government has made it financially benefical to do so."

And you say the family has no choice but to fail? You made that happen.

As further evidence I can submit the activities and behaviors of states with right wing controlled legislatures. They are making laws to promote the limits and basis for women's choices, while letting cities go to pot. Less cops, less teachers, and privatizing entire functions of the state to produce more for profit schools, and for profit prisons, while business elites import more skilled labor, depress or eliminate wages, and benefits, and blame the left for not addressing poverty while they suck all the money out of the economy and publicly denounce the victims of the broken business model as lazy takers.

Displacement and poverty are the effects of the broken business model that has nothing to do with capitalism, or a "free market" and more to do with greed and opportunities for the few.

Yes, Texas is so oppressive, backward, the economy here sucks and opportunity is nowhere to be found.

[tomder55]

Add to that the economic pressure on families in today's broken business model, and by today I mean decades, The nuclear family has little choice but to fail.

What nonsense ! The family unit didn't fail in the heart of the Great Depression. There is a clear identifiable time that we can trace the collapse and it coincides with cultural and legislation that passed in the post-WWII era..

[Mom4life]

"The men of yesterday stayed with their families. They had defined roles, boys and dads,daughters and mothers. That's why things were different. Today guys get women pregnant then walk away and act like they have no clue they have a child out there. Women had to evolve into mother and father "super-beings" and while most succeed in raising excellent kids some fall short. We live in a nation of single mothers. Women get pregnant and today still have only one choice, most won't make that choice, so we become mothers, unintentional, in some cases but mothers nonetheless. We don't get to walk away from being pregnant, especially when we can't even tie our shoes. If men could in some way experience the biology of pregnancy I think most would never abandon the child, regardless of how they feel about the pregnancy or the mother. The war on men started with men walking away from their responsibility to their sons and daughters and will end when men "put themselves" back into the equation."

Three posts, one of them on a thread going back to 2009, all of them bashing men, one of them being able to tell that the person asking the question is lying. I'm an investigator - I can guess who I think is not truthful, but I don't have it down to a science.

I see issues and a need to tell the story.

So, why does Mom4Life come on and tell her story?

I don't believe life is "all" of this or "all" of that - if she chose a man who "got her pregnant" (apparently she had no participation in the big event) and then walked away, isn't this as much about her bad judgment as it is about men who walk away?

And I'm the first to admit I've made some questionable choices about the men in my life. I just don't blame all men when I pick a loser.

EDIT: For anyone searching out other posts, at least one has been pulled.

I am not bashing men. My MIT educated ex is far from a loser. I am fair and balanced enough blame to go around. I did not allow myself to get pregnant either. I am a mother. I take the responsibility serious and I work and take care of my responsibilities. Now I can comment on post just like you, if I see a topic, I can give my opinion just like you. You feel the need to label me a man basher, and call my ex a loser, then hint I'm a liar, why? Because I don't say what I am expected to say? I am the product of wonderful parents who are married and enjoying their retirement together. My dad is my hero, my mother is my inspiration, I can only hope to morph into a combination of the two as I get older. You are an investigator, great investigate why men seem to think that a woman would allow her self to get impregnated on 2013. Seriously? If my ex had told me he had been sleeping with men since college anytime during the 6 yrs. We were together, do you think we would have a 2yr old child, no. The reality is things happen and you find that you actually have no control over it as you thought. I work in government legal system, the belly of the beast, so yes I have insight most don't, specific to family law. I am not blaming men, if you investigated you would clearly see were I suggested a grandmother keep both the mother and father away. Blaming men, that's elementary. I replied to three post and gave my opinion and I will continue to do so when a post envokes a response. I just joined so I only got to 3, so investigate that. By the way my ex is living in the light, we are best friends and we co- parent very well as it should be.

[JudyKayTee]

"You are an investigator, great investigate why men seem to think that a woman would allow her self to get impregnated on 2013. Seriously? If my ex had told me he had been sleeping with men since college anytime during the 6 yrs. we were together, do you think we would have a 2yr old child, no. "

Seriously? Your personal attack on me is unnecessary and uncalled for.

You appear to have very thin skin and anger issues. I fail to see why/how a man who lied to you about having other relationships or contacts while in a relationship with you, put you in danger of contracting a veneral disease, must have lied to your face on more than one occasion, is not a loser simply because he graduated from MIT. Of course, you know him, I do not.

You have twice called other people liars. Where did I call you a liar (if it matters at all)?

I have no idea what this means - "I just joined so I only got to 3, so investigate that." What? You got three what?

For that matter, what does this mean? " I did not allow myself to get pregnant either. I am a mother." Aren't all women who have children mothers?

I also don't understand the relevance of working in the government legal system. An Attorney, Judge, social worker, file clerk? I investigate for that same system, an occupation you seem to find, at best, amusing - I note how many times "investigate" and "investigator" appear in your answer.

You certainly can post your opinion. I also can post mine. That's a given.

[Mom4life]

"You are an investigator, great investigate why men seem to think that a woman would allow her self to get impregnated on 2013. Seriously? If my ex had told me he had been sleeping with men since college anytime during the 6 yrs. we were together, do you think we would have a 2yr old child, no. "

Seriously? Your personal attack on me is unnecessary and uncalled for.

You appear to have very thin skin and anger issues. I fail to see why/how a man who lied to you about having other relationships or contacts while in a relationship with you, put you in danger of contracting a veneral disease, must have lied to your face on more than one occasion, is not a loser simply because he graduated from MIT. Of course, you know him, I do not.

You have twice called other people liars. Where did I call you a liar (if it matters at all)?

I have no idea what this means - "I just joined so I only got to 3, so investigate that." What? You got three what?

For that matter, what does this mean? " I did not allow myself to get pregnant either. I am a mother." Aren't all women who have children mothers?

You certainly can post your opinion. I also can post mine. That's a given.

Imagine the good if we could put our heads together and offer great insight instead of doing this. I look forward to engaging you in productive debate from time to time. I'm off to my office now, have a good day.

[JudyKayTee]

Good to know you aren't on AMHD on Government time.

[NeedKarma]

I am! :D

[JudyKayTee]

I'm on the clock, but that's OK - it's my own company.

Smiling back at you.