[spitvenom]

I forgot all about the Streisand effect!!

[tomder55]

Hawaii is now a red state
Djou wins special election for Congress - Bulletin - Starbulletin.com

[tomder55]

Sestak has confirmed that the Obots used ex President Clintoon to approach him and bribe him with a WH position if he would drop his primary bid against Specter .
This is clearly an illegal act and that is why the WH has been stonewalling when questioned by reporters about the incident.

[excon]

Hello tom:

I HEAR about the illegality of this act, but nobody has been able to point to the LAW that was violated. I asked over on the criminal law board to see if any of those experts could tell me. They couldn't. Can you?

excon

[Catsmine]

Hello tom:

I HEAR about the illegality of this act, but nobody has been able to point to the LAW that was violated. I asked over on the criminal law board to see if any of those experts could tell me. They couldn't. Can you?

excon

I think you're right on this one, Ex. Using the Clintoon seems to put it just over the line into legal. Accusing Bubba of bribery now just seems like gilding the lily.

[excon]

Hello again, Cats:

I think I am too... But, not because he used an intermediary. But, because political horse trading IS the stock in trade of politicians. Each time a trade happens, somebody (or both presumably) benefit. If you start calling THAT bribery, then there won't be anybody left in Washington.

That might not be a bad thing, however.

excon

[Catsmine]

Hello again, Cats:

I think I am too... But, not because he used an intermediary. But, because political horse trading IS the stock in trade of politicians. Each time a trade happens, somebody (or both presumably) benefit. If you start calling THAT bribery, then there won't be anybody left in Washington.

That might not be a bad thing, however.

excon

The way I read it the only thing keeping it from being bribery is Bubba's un-official position and Sestak saying no:

"18 U.S.C. § 211 : US Code - Section 211: Acceptance or Solicitation to Obtain Appointive Public Office -- Whoever solicits or receives, either as a political contribution, or for personal emolument, any money or thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both,"

[excon]

Hello again, Cats:

I spose...

But, what about this: In 1968, Tom Bradley was running for mayor of LA against Sam Yorty. I was the president of a prominent local political organization. Tom sought my support and promised that he would make me a police commissioner of LA if he won. He didn't win that year, but won the next time around... I wasn't involved in his campaign that time.

It IS a good thing that I wasn't appointed Police Commissioner for a myriad of reasons, the least of which, I suppose, would be that I would have been guilty of my first felony, according to this law...

But, I got to tell you, this stuff goes on ALL the time...

excon

[tomder55]

It's U.S. Code Title 18 (Crimes), Section 600

It is cut and dry under this provision of the law ;even if Bubba was involved .

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. AMENDMENTS 1994 - Pub. L. 103-322 substituted "fined under this title" for "fined not more than $10,000". 1976 - Pub. L. 94-453 substituted $10,000 for $1,000 maximum allowable fine. 1972 - Pub. L. 92-225 struck out "work," after "position,", inserted "contract, appointment," after "compensation," and "or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit," after "Act of Congress,", and substituted "in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office" for "in any election". EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1972 AMENDMENT Amendment by Pub. L. 92-225 effective Dec. 31, 1971, or sixty days after date of enactment [Feb. 7, 1972], whichever is later, see section 408 of Pub. L. 92-225, set out as an Effective Date note under section 431 of Title 2, The Congress.

Last modified: April 13, 2006

Edit... Cats is right that a prosecutor could also go after them under sec 221 . There is also a case under 595

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States,. uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

And 210

Whoever pays or offers or promises any money or thing of value, to any person, firm, or corporation in consideration of the use or promise to use any influence to procure any appointive office or place under the United States for any person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

There are Democrats like Rep Anthony Weiner who are concerned enough that he has called on the WH to come clean.

I don't know how far this will go. It doesn't appear to reach Blago levels;and Sestak has been honest to a fault.

But I recall people here calling Bush and co. criminal for exercising Presidential perogatives .Has the tune now changed to 'this happens all the time '?

What goes around comes around. The people who demanded a squeeky clean Bush WH should demand the same from the Obots.


edit again :

The WH apparently investigated itself and gave itself a clean bill of health .
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...Memorandum.pdf
Obama essentially said 'trust me... nothing wrong was said'. What he or his staff haven't said is what exactly was said to Sestak .(the memo by WH lawyer Robert Bauer talks of a “Presidential or other Senior Executive Branch Advisory Board,” and that the appointment would be attractive, i.e. a benefit.) Nor do I think the truth is forthcoming. What is needed here is a squeeky clean special prosecutor to fully investigate Sestak-gate . Where is Patrick Fitzgerald when you need him ?Come on Holder !! Do your job!!!

The way I read the various laws related ,Clintoon at very least is guilty. Question... would he allow himself to be thrown under the bus for Obama ?

ps . This is not the 1st time Obama has done this . http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13429758

[Catsmine]

But, I gotta tell you, this stuff goes on ALL the time....

excon

So that makes it OK? And spies trying to keep my kids safe isn't?

Would you please talk out of one side of your mouth for just one day so I can keep up?

(How's that for Excon style provocation?)

[excon]

So that makes it OK? And spies trying to keep my kids safe isn't?

Hello again, Cats:

Here's the thing you miss. I got no trouble with spies keeping your kids safe... I just think they orta be spying on the bad guys instead of US. But, that's just me, speaking the way I always do.

excon

[Catsmine]

Hello again, Cats:

Here's the thing you miss. I got no trouble with spies keeping your kids safe... I just think they orta be spying on the bad guys instead of US. But, that's just me, speaking the way I always do.

excon

As long as you're absolutely positive no bad guys have hacked your cell, computer, phone, or TV cable to call Yemen, I guess you're good.

[tomder55]

The story line (being parroted by the cheerleaders in the MSM ) is that there was no crime ,nothing unethical ,and,nothing sleezy about sending Bubba to talk Sestak into not running in exchanged for a position on the President's Intelligence Advisory panel .

Nah ,according to the editorial board of the old gray lady ,it was just stupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/op...ml?ref=opinion
Why ? Because everyone knows ;espcially Bubba ,that Sestak as a member of Congress was ineligible under rules Bubba instituted .

So why would they do it ? Do you believe as the Slimes apparently does that Clintoon ,knowing the restrictions ,would make the offer ? Were they trying to trick a former 3 star Admiral ? Did Clintoon have an oldzheimer moment and forget about the rules he made ?
Does this pass the smell test ?

Where are the Woodward and Bernstein teams in the MSM ? Only Jake Tapper at ABC and Major Garrett of Fox ever ask the questions that makes Robert Gibbs hesitate .
During Watergate it was the coverup . With Sestak-gate ,the MSM is complicit in the coverup.