[arcura]

Brother adam7gur
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God; so the bible says.
Therefore The Word (Jesus, the son of God on earth) was and IS eteranal and The son of God from the time He was conceived in Mary.
That is my understanding of it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[adam7gur]

Brother Fred!
May God, however He is, bless you in every way.

[arcura]

Brother Adam,
The same to you and may the Holy Spirit (the subject of this thread) be your constant guide and inspire you well.
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

[jenniepepsi]

OK so. God said that he 'sent his only begotten son' to us.

So... did he say 'I am coming to earth to save you'

Or 'i am sending my son to save you from your sins'

I want someone to point out where in the bible jesus ever specifically said 'i am god'

Or when god said 'my son is god'

[adam7gur]

This is the part where God says that His Son is God.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Worship belongs only to God, so if God Himself says to the angels to worship the Son, then His Son cannot be anything less than God)
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


This is the part where Jesus says that He is God.


Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

John 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Jesus said His name(I AM),and they fell to the ground,so if He Himself uses God's name for Himself,then this is like Him saying that He is God!

[jenniepepsi]

Ahh thank you adam :) that has always bothered me because I could never find references like those.

Now I understand the confusion so many people have. As much as we love our god, he was a bit inconsistent. Either that or we are just not understanding him correctly :P I'm going to have some firm words with Him when I meet him ;)

(ps, don't get all upset about blaspheming, HE knows I'm teasing him, and I'm sure he has a sense of humor, or we would not have one. And if I am wrong, he will forgive me for my minor misunderstanding as its an honest mistake)

[arcura]

Adam,
Well done.
Fred