[arcura]

Handyman2007
The New Jerusalem Bible has been around for several years.
There is no version of the bible that everyone will agree is the best, most accurate, most error free,etc.
But a great many of the most recognized scholars say that The New American Standard, The Revised Standard and the New Jerusalem Bible version are the best for accuracey in translation.
I have 8 different version and those are the one I use mostly.
I like the New Jerusalem very much because it is so easy to read and a very good summary and explanation is before each book in the bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[Teresa51]

Cred is clearly an angry and bitter moron---plain and simple. And what is so funny, he wants to be a moron and works hard at it, thinking himself to be cleaver when the opposite is so obvious to everyone except him. And I not only believe it, I think you have proved it yourself in your own rantings that make absolutely no sense.

Some will accuse me of name-calling, but when are believers (Christians) going to stop laying down with a false sense of humility and let people like Cred continue with his attacks!

[arcura]

Teresa51.
Cred is not a moron. He is a very intelligent person; highly educated and knowledgeable.
He is an atheist and believes in nothing religious.
He is married to a Catholic woman.
Like all atheists he is spiritually bankrupt and needs much prayer to help him spiritually.
I pray for him and all here every day.
As a Christian I suggest that you do the same.
He is a lost sheep that Jesus tells us should be found.
There would be great joy in heaven if he and others lost are found and all Christians should also work to have reason to experience such joy.
I think that if you ponder that somewhat you will agree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[Credendovidis]

I pray for him and all here every day. As a Christian I suggest that you do the same.

Thank you Fred. That's the Fred I know and appreciate - though we differ religiously !
Peace and kindness to you too !

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Cred is clearly an angry and bitter moron

Moron? Just a matter of opinion. Angry and bitter? Not at all ! I enjoy life to the fullest. All I dislike is the phariseen and haughty attitude of so many Christians on this board, you included now.

... in your own rantings that make absolutely no sense.

To you maybe. So now you blame me for your own lack of intelligence and understanding?

... when are believers (Christians) ....

Christians are believers. Fortunately not all believers are Christians. The world would be hell if that happened!

... when are believers (Christians) going to stop laying down with a false sense of humility and let people like Cred continue with his attacks!

Stripped of the nonsense : "when are believers (Christians) .... let people like Cred continue with his attacks!"
Well : I hope very long. Only : I do not attack Christians at all. I have great respect for real Christians who are not only Christian in word, but also in deed!! Unfortunately this board is overloaded with "Christians of the word only". Fanatics who insist that what they BELIEVE is the one and only "truth". Like the group of fanatic creationists and christian fundamentalists. But also your reaction gives reason to frown. A newcomer to the board, who never has directly communicated with me before , posting this type of frustrated drivvel in this topic.

I always have stated that - if it is to me to decide - anyone may believe whatever suits him or her. That is my tolerance. I am more than happy to hear opposition to my ideas. Unfortunately you have other ideas : you would like to see either "the word" be forced through my throat, or me being driven off this board on top of a virtual "dung car" covered with pitch and feathers.
How intolerant ! How unchristian!! You clearly have not yet understood the New Testament!!

What I have seen from you is this : a religious closedminded fanatic who would love to see anyone opposing her own religious ideas being removed from here. But... this board is called " Religious Discussions Board" and not the "Christianity Board".
Within the board rules I may participate with my views just as well as you may.
And if you have a problem with your own intolerant behavior, may be it is not me who should be removed.

My advice to you : keep with the "dog posts". That seems to be where your ideas are most valuable!

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

[Teresa51]

Cred, I have never suggested nor has the thought ever crossed my mind that you should be removed from this board.

I think your heralded, quite convincingly, my point on more than 1 occasion in your posting above. No further comment from me is necessary.

arcura: I believe you may have mischaracterized Cred as a "lost sheep". I see him as the "goat" or "wolf" sent for harm, not as a follower/sheep that has taken a wayward step. Although you did not say so, perhaps you are suggesting that Cred is a 'sheep" b/c he really doesnt believe most of the stuff he says anyway and all his postings are his way of hoping to provoke someone enough to provoke HIM to challenge his own thinking. I don't know that of course, but I get the sense that that may be the case here.

I personally believe that there is no such thing as a true atheist---that in his/her heart-of-hearts, he (an "atheist") knows there is a God, or at least has a sense that there is something greater than he is. I believe we are all "wired" that way.

One aspect of Jesus is that He is a shepard, yes, but I don't want us to forget that Jesus is described also as being a Warrior, and that being a shepard means carrying a big stick, not only to guide, but to also beat off the wolves or other animals from destroying/stealing his flock (an offensive action, and not defensive).

No further comments from me on this matter.

[Credendovidis]

First of all to Arcura : Dear Fred : my apologies, but I can not allow Teresa51 to get away with that. So here is my reply to her. If she keeps to her word that "No further comment from me is necessary" than I will not react on this any further neither.
Also my apologies for the long post, but I had to be precise in my reactions.

And now to Teresa51 :

Cred, I have never suggested nor has the thought ever crossed my mind that you should be removed from this board.

Everybody can see that you caled me "an angry and bitter moron---plain and simple".
Also that (acc. to you) "I want to be a moron".
And that you believe that "I have proved (that) myself in my own rantings that make absolutely no sense".
Later you also queried why "people like Cred continue with (his) attacks"?

You never communicated with me before, and neither provided any support for your wild claims and insults.
Your sentence "but when are believers (Christians) going to stop laying down with a false sense of humility and let people like Cred continue with his attacks!" can only be taken as incitement to others to attack me and/or force me off the board.
So don't lie that you never suggested that. You even tried to incite others in following your "quest".
What a phony and failed "Christian" you are !!! One that is "lying for God" ...

I do not even want to query why board management did not remove your post for rudeness, insulting, and unbecoming comments - although your post was entirely against the board rules. I suppose that I being a Secular Humanist (SH) and you claiming to be a "christian" has something to do with that !

I think your heralded, quite convincingly, my point on more than 1 occassion in your posting above. No further comment from me is necessary.

In my reaction I clearly show you for what you are : a religious closed-minded fanatic who would love to see anyone opposing her own religious ideas being removed from here.
And I concluded that you should keep with the "dog posts". As that seems to be where your ideas are most valuable! But now I read your reaction here, all I can think is "poor dogs"...

(To Fred) : I believe you may have mischaracterized Cred as a "lost sheep". I see him as the "goat" or "wolf" sent for harm, not as a follower/sheep that has taken a wayward step. Although you did not say so, perhaps you are suggesting that Cred is a 'sheep" b/c he really doesnt believe most of the stuff he says anyway...

First of all you have no idea how well Fred and I know each other. Though we have different worldviews we respect each other and each others ideas. But Fred is fully correct : I am an ex-Christian, a "lost sheep". Though I am already more than forty+ years convinced SH / Atheist-Freethinker.

How can you suggest that "he really doesnt believe most of the stuff he says anyway..."
For over ten years on Q&A boards nobody has ever been able to prove such nonsense, simply because I never lie (other than in "social traffic". Simply because lying - as you proved here with yours - ALWAYS will be found out and used against you!

... and all his postings are his way of hoping to provoke someone enough to provoke HIM to challenge his own thinking. I don't know that of course, but I get the sense that that may be the case here.

If you do not know that, than why suggest that ? Just incitement ! Nothing else !

I personally believe that there is no such thing as a true atheist---that in his/her heart-of-hearts, he (an "atheist") knows there is a God, or at least has a sense that there is something greater than he is. I believe we are all "wired" that way.

You may BELIEVE that. No problem. But I can tell you that you are dead-wrong !
First the use of "true" shows your lack of understanding of Atheism. "True" is in this context a rather nonsensical word, indicating unsupported wild claims (almost always religious). No self-respecting Atheist wants to be described with words like "true". All Atheists know that there is no "God", or agree that never ever any proof for "God's" existence was provided.

NO Atheist/SH has a sense that there is something greater than he is, other than other humans.
EVERY Atheist/SH agrees that there is nothing greater than "homo sapiens" as intellectual and moral entity. At least as far as we can know.

My conclusion
Once again you prove with your angry reaction that you are a religious closed-minded fanatic who would love to see anyone opposing her own religious ideas being removed from here. Simply because you know you have no leg to stand on. All you have is belief, though you refuse to accept that fact...

:rolleyes: :) :D :) :rolleyes:

[arcura]

Teresa51,
Cred IS a lost sheep.
I believe that all humans are God's children and that He wants them all to come home to him.
That is why he provided the opportunity for all to be saved through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
Though some sheep are making goats of themselves that is for God alone to decide on Judgment Day.
So I do believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)