[JoeCanada76]

People also need to realize that the cultures back then. How long did they keep meat around, no refrigeraters. The risk of eating meat with blood in it or not cooked properly were greater. Now a days we have ways of storing and cooking that take care of most of the problems related to parasites and other infections that can happen. We all no what happens when meat is not stored properly or cooked properly. Back then they had strict guidelines to follow but we also need to remember lots of teachings of Jesus. What truly makes us unclean. I find that most christians tend to follow the new testament and Jews follow the old testament and do not follow the new testament at all. It all comes down to each persons personal beliefs and what they think is right and wrong. Whether it has to do with food or not.

I also like the post, that talks about how not to mix old and new cloth together or different types of materials but we do that all the time now. It works. Does everybody follow that law, we are not even having a debate about it. How come? Is not cloths just as important as food or is it just people picking at what they want to pick at.

I will say it again and again. I am going to enjoy my pork chops and roasts, but I am not going to use the food I eat to offend somebody else. If I know somebody that is visiting does not eat pork then I will make sure I make something else for them. That simple.

Can we all hug now, all the pork eaters and non pork eaters please get along. It is about LOVE, not about what we put in our mouths.

Joe

[classyT]

Please then help and tell the meaning of: Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Point of Interest: Tell us, when will all be fulfilled? Scripture has it that no one knows that answer except God.

OK. I am not going to go into a big long discussion here on this particular forum. But I think it is important for you to understand who Jesus was talking to. Was he talking to Gentiles? Was he talking to the "church". NO. He was talking to the JEW under the LAW. I have never been a jew. Before I was saved and put into the body of Christ, I was a gentile. I was NEVER under the Law. In fact, the Law was given to the JEW it was NEVER given to the Gentile.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He and he alone kept the law and kept it perfectly.We read in Romans why the law was made, Paul says (and I am using my own words here )... it was made to show mankind just how rotten he is and how he cannot follow it.

Romans 3 :19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says, It say to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore NO ONE will be delcared righteous in HIS sight by OBSERVING the law; rather through the law we become conscious of sin.

By the way, the book of Romans was written to me! I am part of the Church. Paul also goes on to say in Romans 6 that we are under Grace. He point blank asks the question in Romans 6 :15 if we are no longer under the law but under grace shall we continue in sin? Of course he answers his own question with a NO!

The Law is good. It is not abolished. The Lord has not forgotten the Jewish nation and he is far from done, he will return and set up his kingdom and I believe the law will be put back into place.

But if you will read 1 Timothy 1:8 also written to the CHURCH ( in other words he is talking directly to ME) He says the Law is good if one uses it properly. Then Paul point blank says why the law is made and who it is for. IT isn't for the righteous. Read that verse.

If you have any doubts who the righteous are... go to Romans ( written to the church) and he will define the righteous. Romans 3:22 This righeousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

It is a matter of learning how to read the Word. All of the word is written for me... it is not all written directly to me. If you don't understand that, you will be a very confused, Christian.

I said earlier that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John... are Jewish. They are about Jesus who was a Jew and lived under the Law. No mention of the Church, no mention of the Gospel of salvation, Jesus is talking to the JEW in Mathew he is NOT talking to the Church. Period.

I hope I wasn't too wordy and I am easy to understand. I don't think this is a difficult subject or the least bit confusing.

[sndbay]

OK.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He and he alone kept the law and kept it perfectly.We read in Romans why the law was made, Paul says (and I am using my own words here )...it was made to show mankind just how rotten he is and how he cannot follow it.

I said earlier that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John...are Jewish. They are about Jesus who was a Jew and lived under the Law. No mention of the Church, no mention of the Gospel of salvation, Jesus is talking to the JEW in Mathew he is NOT talking to the Church. Period.

I hope i wasn't too wordy and i am easy to understand. I don't think this is a difficult subject or the least bit confusing.

Point Question?[B]So are you saying, what Jesus says in Matthew 5:17-19... is not true?[/B] That was my question?

Point Fact:And The Virgin Mary was a Levite, not Jew..

Point Fact: And the Bible holds 3 fulfillment prophecyin the N.T.: The names and meanings with prophetic truth, and shows that even these look forward to times and scenes far beyond their original use; so that even the Immanuel of 7:14 which was fulfilled in Matthew 1:22,23 did not exhaust the Immanuel of Isa 8:10, which is yet future according to Luke 1:31-33

Point Fact: There are three nouns, two verbs, and one adjective to be noticed in the Synonymous Word for Grace.

I take it you believe that whether you obey the laws of the commandment, statutes and ordinances you are under the Grace given gift of free undeserved favor . You plan to just take the ticket and walk where you please, when you please, and however you please?

Have a nice trip..

[N0help4u]

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
O Manasseh
O Ephraim
* Benjamin

[classyT]

SND,

I am shocked and disappointed by your assumptions of me. DID YOU READ MY POST.? If you DID... where did I say that Grace was a license to sin.? I didn't. I am called to a higher standard than even the Law. The law is waay more than just the 10 commandments.

Where did I say that what Jesus says is not true? Do you read? I said Jesus was talking to the JEW in the book of Mathew. He is NOT speaking to the CHRUCH. Big difference. Everything he says it true. I even said that when he sets up his kingdom I believe he will put the Law back in place.

ARE YOU suggesting that when Paul is writing to the church that what he says to us isn't true? He point blank says we are NOT under the Law. I didn't make it up! I can rightly divide the word of God, I know who the writer is and who the writer is talking directly to. The Bible is confusing if you DO NOT DO THIS. I gave you a verse in Timothy that explains that the Law is good but it is NOT for the righteous. I have been made righteous... not by what I DO but by the BLOOD OF JESUS. BTW... TIMOTHY WAS WRITTEN TO THE CHURCH.. so is Romans. We are not given a license to sin, neither are we under the Law.

You err my friend. You assume things about me that I are not true ( my free ticket to sin? Give me a break)

You also err in understanding the Word of God and how to rightly divide it and frankly that was my entire point. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING AND WHO IT IS DIRECTLY WRITTEN TO. The Word of God is Truth. You are mixing Law with Grace and it cannot be done. When you mix them, you cause confusion. Paul was on some of the Christians in his day for returning to the Law. READ SOME OF HIS EPISTLES!

And one last thought... NO I am not saying the old testament is obsolete! There are many wonderful truths, wisdom, prophecy, types and shadows of grace and mercy. It is all about the Lord Jesus Christ! It is wonderful. BUT!! I AM NOT UNDER THE LAW!

[classyT]

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
o Manasseh
o Ephraim
* Benjamin

Nohelp4u,

A levite is JEW! I didn't even go there. With SND. I have no clue of what his point was.. he is mixed up!

[xaiegen]

Ok, I'm Seventh-day Adventist and we are kosher like the Jews are, so unclean meats includes more than pork. Anyway, you have to love how certain people feel they've transcribed the bible so well when others didn't and some folks went to Theology Masters seminars to translate Hebrew. I will refer you to a link,

Why don't Seventh DAy Adventists eat pork or shellfish? - Yahoo! Answers

And keep in mind, if you're allowed to disregard one doctrine and eat pork then by God's grace you're allowed to disregard another; go commit adultery as well as murder.

Did you know that the rules in the bible like Ten Commandments, golden rule, tithing, real day to keep the Sabbath; these are only the minimum of what you should do if you love God.

[sndbay]

I thought a Levite was the Levi tribe in the 12 Jewish tribes

The Tribes

* Reuben
* Simeon
* Levi
* Judah
* Dan
* Naphtali
* Gad
* Asher
* Issachar
* Zebulun
* Joseph
o Manasseh
o Ephraim
* Benjamin

Hope this will help: Point of Fact:
The mistake is not exceptional but to call a Levite a Jew is as inaccurate as it would be to call the Levite Moses a Jew, because it would be to say that the Bristish King is an American; or that President Bush is a Canadian. The lack of discrimination between the Jews and branches of Isreal.

One should remember at all times that Moses was not descended from Judah and was not, in any sense of the word, a Jew-- although he was Hebrew, an Israelite and a Levite. Exodus 6:16-17 emphasis Moses and Aaron are among sons of Levi.
:)

[classyT]

Ok, i'm Seventh-day Adventist and we are kosher like the Jews are, so unclean meats includes more than pork. Anyways, you have to love how certain people feel they've transcribed the bible so well when others didn't and some folks went to Theology Masters seminars to translate Hebrew. I will refer you to a link,

Why don't Seventh DAy Adventists eat pork or shellfish? - Yahoo! Answers

and keep in mind, if you're allowed to disregard one doctrine and eat pork then by God's grace you're allowed to disregard another; go commit adultery as well as murder.

Did you know that the rules in the bible like Ten Commandments, golden rule, tithing, real day to keep the Sabbath; these are only the minimum of what you should do if you love God.

x,

YES! I agree! If you are going to keep the Law better keep them ALL... how are those sacrifices and burnt offerings going? OH! That's right.. you all don't do that part of the law! Tsk tsk guess that means you can "go commit adultery as well as murder". LOL

[N0help4u]

Yeah that is what I say if you want to follow one law you need to make sure all your clothes are 100% cotton 0R wool

[sndbay]

Point of Fact:
Most Christians have been taught that the law has been superseded by the grace of God in Christ. We are no longer subject to any of the Mosaic statutes, theologaisn tell us, because they were all discarded with the advent of our Lord. Yet no theory could be further from the actual truth of the Bible.
Read carefully all New Testament references to the law as it is affected by the coming of Christ and every instance the context will show that only ecclesiastical ordinances---and no all them--were set aside by the installation of the new Christian order. And since we know that of the Sabbath, the Passover and tithing were retained by our Lord's disciples, it is clear that practically nothing was discarded except animal sacrifice and its attendant rituals and cermonial washing.
"He taketh away the first, that he may estabish the second. By the which will we sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all" Hebrews 10:9-10 Obviously no other offering was necessary after the supreme sacifice on Calvary. As Paul writes in Ephesians 2:14-16 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Bottom line, I choose to not eat Pork or other food items in Lev. My free will to do as my heart leads me. Following the light and the light is the law.

[classyT]

SND,
Good for you... gotta run I have bacon frying in the pan. :)

By the way... Levites are part of the nation of Israel and they followed JUDISM... therefore they were JEWS.

[N0help4u]

Bacon (not [fake] bits) are yummy on top of tater skins
And chicken and cheese sandwiches.

This to me says if it is eaten with a clear conscience then it is okay

14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions. 1 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables. 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him. 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord 2 is able to make him stand.

14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. 3 Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The 4 one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? 5 And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? 6 For we will all stand before the judgment seat 7 of God. 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.” 8 14:12 Therefore, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 9
Exhortation for the Strong not to Destroy the Weak

14:13 Therefore we must not pass judgment on one another, but rather determine never to place an obstacle or a trap before a brother or sister. 10 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean in itself; still, it is unclean to the one who considers it unclean. 14:15 For if your brother or sister 11 is distressed because of what you eat, 12 you are no longer walking in love. 13 Do not destroy by your food someone for whom Christ died. 14:16 Therefore do not let what you consider good 14 be spoken of as evil. 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not consist of food and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 14:18 For the one who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by people. 15

14:19 So then, let us pursue what makes for peace and for building up one another. 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. For although all things are clean, 16 it is wrong to cause anyone to stumble by what you eat. 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 17 14:22 The faith 18 you have, keep to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge himself by what he approves. 14:23 But the man who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not do so from faith, and whatever is not from faith is sin.

[classyT]

NOHELP-

EXACTLY and who wrote that?. PAUL and who was Paul talking to? US! (the church) it ain't rocket science but some like to make it harder than it is! I'd give you a greenie but it won't let me right now.

SND- ( I WILL get you back for the reddie) hee hee :)

[sndbay]

Bacon (not [fake] bits) are yummy on top of tater skins
and chicken and cheese sandwiches.

This to me says if it is eaten with a clear conscience then it is okay

14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions. 1 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables. 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him. 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord 2 is able to make him stand.

14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. 3 Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The 4 one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? 5 And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? 6 For we will all stand before the judgment seat 7 of God. 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.” 8 14:12 Therefore, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 9
Exhortation for the Strong not to Destroy the Weak

14:13 Therefore we must not pass judgment on one another, but rather determine never to place an obstacle or a trap before a brother or sister. 10 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean in itself; still, it is unclean to the one who considers it unclean. 14:15 For if your brother or sister 11 is distressed because of what you eat, 12 you are no longer walking in love. 13 Do not destroy by your food someone for whom Christ died. 14:16 Therefore do not let what you consider good 14 be spoken of as evil. 14:17 For the kingdom of God does not consist of food and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 14:18 For the one who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by people. 15

14:19 So then, let us pursue what makes for peace and for building up one another. 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. For although all things are clean, 16 it is wrong to cause anyone to stumble by what you eat. 14:21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 17 14:22 The faith 18 you have, keep to yourself before God. Blessed is the one who does not judge himself by what he approves. 14:23 But the man who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not do so from faith, and whatever is not from faith is sin.

Thank you Nohelp4u.. Perfectly straight and to the point. And these scriptures all example why Peter was told in Acts not to make unclean what God has declared clean. For the Gentiles conscience were different from Peter's.

[N0help4u]

If they were evil neighbors to be plucked out then why would they be plucked out?