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    #521

    Aug 20, 2010, 01:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by XOXOlove View Post
    I see it equivalent to a terriost attack because of the fact that it targetted civilians, not mainly othe Japanese soldiers. If Iraqis came here in uniform and bombed us, it would most likely be considered a terrorist attack.
    If war were to have been declared and they want to try to come here then no its not a terrorist plot. The act may strike terror. But the fact that it occurred under decleration of war changes the way it is viewed. So far there has been no army in this war on terror. If they wish to put a uniform on and declare themselves then it would end in a few weeks. Big difference.

    What is the opinion of the muslim community as far as decrying the extremists for who they are and helping to turn them in ? Im asking because you mentioned you were muslim and Im assuming you practice your faith. So you might have an idea of what is really going on in your own words and opinion.
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    #522

    Aug 20, 2010, 02:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by califdadof3 View Post
    If war were to have been declared and they want to try to come here then no its not a terrorist plot. The act may strike terror. But the fact that it occured under decleration of war changes the way it is viewed.
    What do we call our attack on Iraq in 2003?
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    #523

    Aug 20, 2010, 02:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Protestants actually do have a central Figure...The Archbishop of Canterbery
    Um, he's the head of the Church of England (Anglican). As I said, Protestants do not have a central figure like a Pope.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Certain denominations have a communion at easter
    Yeah, Protestants call those "members" fair-weather Christians who commune only once a year on Easter and maybe at Christmas. Protestant churches offer communion as often as weekly, and even more often during Lent and Advent.
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    #525

    Aug 20, 2010, 02:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    Does Fox twist stories?
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    not nearly as much as all the rest do
    In other words, yes, they do. Thank you.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by XOXOlove View Post
    I see it equivalent to a terriost attack because of the fact that it targetted civilians, not mainly othe Japanese soldiers. If Iraqis came here in uniform and bombed us, it would most likely be considered a terrorist attack.
    Whoever educated you clearly fed you propaganda. Plain and simple.

    Terrorism in WW2 was the Rape of Nanking by Japan... bet they didn't teach that.

    Terrorism is what the Japanese did to the Philippines... War Crimes is what the Japanese did to POW's in Burma and the Corrigador Death March (which incidentally I had a relative die on).

    What twisted logic considers Hiroshima or Nagasaki terrorism is beyond comprehension. Japan was the aggressor in that war, they brought it upon themselves.

    Did they also fail to teach you the Japanese had plenty of advance warning what was going to happen each time if they didn't surrendor... Did they fail to teach you that those deaths were the fault of the Japanese Emporer for failing to act?
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    In other words, yes, they do. Thank you.
    Its all about Degrees... and they do twist it far less than the others do.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Yeah, Protestants call those "members" fair-weather Christians who commune only once a year on Easter and maybe at Christmas. Protestant churches offer communion as often as weekly, and even more often during Lent and Advent.
    Which denominations do that? None of the several different ones I have attended services do it weekly.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:49 PM

    All Lutheran synods offer weekly communion.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Um, he's the head of the Church of England (Anglican). As I said, Protestants do not have a central figure like a Pope.
    He's also a sort of defacto head of the rest too, But the structure is nothing like the Catholic Church. It essentually functions autonomously, not under his direction.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    All Lutheran synods offer weekly communion.
    OK, that's one of those I've never attended.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 02:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    He's also a sort of defacto head of the rest too
    No, he's not! If you said that to any Lutheran, Baptist, United Methodist, Nazarene, Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Presbyterian, or Bible Church members, they would add your name to their prayer circle.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 03:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    No, he's not! If you said that to any Lutheran, Baptist, United Methodist, Nazarene, Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Presbyterian, or Bible Church members, they would add your name to their prayer circle.
    Don't get me started on the Jehovahs Witnesses... I'd like to excommunicate THOSE pepole from the Christian faith if I could. Lets just say I have my personal reasons...
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    Aug 20, 2010, 03:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Don't get me started on the Jehovahs Witnesses.....I'd like to excommunicate THOSE pepole from the Christian faith if I could. Lets just say I have my personal reasons.....
    Your enemy list is getting longer.
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    #535

    Aug 20, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Your enemy list is getting longer.
    Well my issue with them involves several people I know with severe brain Damage (both were Children) or permanent Death (a single unit of blood would have saved that one) as a result of their bizarre teachings. All of which were completely unessesary.

    Both Children were refused medical treatment as very young children, high fever cause the damage...

    THe Death was a third party that refused to allow the blood to the patient based on HIS beliefs... the person that needed it was not able to speak for themselves to refuse it.

    Adults are responsible for their own Stupidity... but when young children are made to pay for it, I find a huge problem with that. Both kids were brother and sister and didn't happen at the same time but years apart.
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    #536

    Aug 20, 2010, 03:15 PM

    Unbelievable and surreal are the two words that come to my mind concerning the building of a mosque so close to ground zero.

    I think they should build one smack dab where United Airlines flight 93 went down in Shanksville too.

    Come ON! This isn't about the "right" to do it. This is about using a little wisdom and common sense. I have NEVER heard of such BAD TASTE.
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    Aug 20, 2010, 03:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by classyT View Post

    . I have NEVER heard of such BAD TASTE.
    From a Canadian perspective, I have to agree, especially as we have had our own problems with terror cells here in Ontario. Still not settled after four years; these guys are still in and out of court.

    I couldn't believe that is what they had agreed to do. So is it really a done deal?
    I am appalled.

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    Aug 20, 2010, 04:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    from a Canadian perspective, I have to agree, especially as we have had our own problems with terror cells here in Ontario. Still not settled after four years; these guys are still in and out of court.

    I couldnt believe that is what they had agreed to do. So is it really a done deal?
    I am appalled.

    tick
    New York City is a big Union Stronghold...

    It isn't going to be build without Union Labor... and most of these Union People are salt of the earth type of people had friends and family Killed In the Name of Allah by those terrorists they want to honor. I have a lot of Teamster friends up there, most of them would beat the hell out of anyone that even tried to build on that site. I'd likely take vacation time to join them on the line too.

    I think the odds of any Union allowing it to be built are very, very slim. And trying to bring in non-union labor will bring strikes that would shut the city down.
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    #539

    Aug 20, 2010, 04:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Come ON! This isn't about the "right" to do it. This is about using a little wisdom and common sense. I have NEVER heard of such BAD TASTE.
    Yes, they have the right to do it. Whether it's in bad taste is beside the point. (Wanna meet there in a couple of years for a nice game of racket ball and then hit the juice bar afterwards?)
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    Aug 20, 2010, 04:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Yes, they have the right to do it. Whether or not it's in bad taste is beside the point. (Wanna meet there in a couple of years for a nice game of racket ball and then hit the juice bar afterwards?)
    Again... Exactly WHERE is this RIGHT enumerated... there is a big difference between a RIGHT and priveledge. THere is no RIGHT for foreign entities to build anything... in fact there is no RIGHT for Americans to build anything.


    After all if they have a RIGHT to build a Terrorist Memorial, we have a RIGHT to Burn it down as an act of free speech.

    If it was a RIGHT, Zoning laws would be unconstitutional.

    I didn't sleep through Civics and in fact I did really well in it... we had to memorize the bill of rights and while I don't remember them all specifically 35 years later, I certainly knew there was none giving a right to biuld anything anywhere.

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