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    Jun 19, 2020, 06:31 AM
    In many states here the minority populations will turn to majorities, thanks to Hispanics and that's already happening in a few locales, so I can understand the FEAR of coming changes. That's why the dufus and repubs adamantly oppose making voting easier, and actively work to make it harder among the minority populations. Dems are already minorities and women represented in congress while the repubs not so much.
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    #502

    Jun 19, 2020, 06:31 AM
    The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 06:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.
    Some areas are higher, some are lower here.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
    If you want to greatly lessen poverty, then greatly increase marriages and stable families. "Children in father-absent homes are almost four times more likely to be poor. In 2011, 12 percent of children in married-couple families were living in poverty, compared to 44 percent of children in mother-only families."

    http://fathers.com/statistics-and-re...atherlessness/
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    #505

    Jun 19, 2020, 01:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you want to greatly lessen poverty, then greatly increase marriages and stable families.
    Please list practical ways this can happen.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 04:53 PM
    Already have.
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    #507

    Jun 19, 2020, 05:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The poverty rate is Australia is higher than here. 13.5% vs. 12% here.
    some selective statistics there, do you have universal health care? was this measured before or after covid 19? do you have a minimum wage that you can live on?

    https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=69
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    #508

    Jun 19, 2020, 05:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Already have.
    Please list eight practical ways.
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    #509

    Jun 19, 2020, 05:56 PM
    Already have listed several practical ways.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 06:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Already have listed several practical ways.
    Not very compelling as evidenced by the widespread support and implementation, but is shaming your only course of action after the deed is done?

    BREAKING NEWS

    Voice of America director RESIGNS!


    https://www.voanews.com/usa/voa-dire...ouse-criticism

    The dufus has effectively taken over the venerable agencies of freedom and made it his personal PR network.
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    #511

    Jun 19, 2020, 06:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Already have listed several practical ways.
    Those weren't practical.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 07:00 PM
    To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.
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    #513

    Jun 19, 2020, 07:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.
    Stop the stupid shaming tactics! Your ways were moral but not practical. Let's do this: Let's whip up a list of practical ways to reduce poverty and improve employability.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 07:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    To you they weren't, but you really don't care. Out of wedlock births are not even close to being important to you.
    They certainly are important, but as I said what do you do about it, and what do you do about them AFTER the deed has been done, which is often when it has become apparent, and sorry if I'm not entirely on board for the answers you gave to both questions.

    MORE BREAKING NEWS

    Berman steps down from Southern District of NY.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...wn/ar-BB15JBXE
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    #515

    Jun 19, 2020, 07:39 PM
    Stop the stupid shaming tactics!
    Remember...it's OK if it's true.
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    Jun 19, 2020, 07:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Remember...it's OK if it's true.
    You know darn well it isn't true.

    Being unemployed and poor are only two of the huge incentives to forget one's problems and have some fun -- with babies resulting.
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    Jun 20, 2020, 04:15 AM
    Berman did not step down and he won't until a replacement is appointed .
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    Jun 20, 2020, 04:22 AM
    Breaking News UPDATE!
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/polit...wn/ar-BB15JBXE

    In a feckless attempt to stop investigations of dufus sycophants AG Barr announced SDNY Geoffrey Berman was stepping down. Well 2 hours later Berman released a statement that he isn't going everywhere and investigations by his office will proceed without disruption. Looks like the dufus will have to fire him personally to protect his henchmen from going to jail.
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    #519

    Jun 20, 2020, 04:32 AM
    Not content with the destruction of reminders of the CSA ,the American Jacobin ,Taliban is out to purge any reminders of the American founding ,and indeed the European migration to the Western hemisphere ;both of which they find illegitimate . The last couple of days we have seen the toppling of a statue of George Washington ;of Ulysses S Grant ,the very general that defeated the CSA . They toppled a statue of Junipero Serra ,who established the first Spanish mission in California . They toppled a statue of Francis Scott Key .

    Chirlane McCray 1st lady of NYC and wife of Mayor Sandinista Bill; heading a new “Commission on Racial Justice and Reconciliation” ,will decide the fate of statues of Washington and Jefferson .Her authority to make these decisions will be expansive . She supposedly has Robert Moses in her cross hairs ,the man who designed and built much of the infrastructure of NYC and the state .

    Names will be changed be it military forts named after Confederate Generals or sports teams like the Texas Rangers ,named after evidently a racist group of Texas vigilantes masquerading as law enforcement officers .

    What you won't find toppled or disturbed in any way is this Seattle statue of Vladimir Lenin.
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    #520

    Jun 20, 2020, 04:58 AM
    You know darn well it isn't true.
    I think it is. I think you couldn't care less, and I say that because you never bring it up. You might respond if someone else refers to it, but it never originates with you. But hey, tell me that I'm wrong. Tell me that you're greatly concerned about it. I'd be happy to know that.

    Being unemployed and poor are only two of the huge incentives to forget one's problems and have some fun -- with babies resulting.
    Unemployment and poverty were also big problems in 1960. They had no birth control pill and birth control was more cumbersome, and yet the out of wedlock birth rate was about 1/10 of what it is now. Your argument is not sensible. To blame it on poverty and unemployment ignores history. By that approach, out of wedlock births would have EXPLODED during the Great Depression. That did not happen, so how do you explain that? The truth is, you have it backwards. Out of wedlock births lead to poverty, not the other way around.

    The great change has had nothing to do with poverty or unemployment. Social beliefs have changed. It used to be scandalous to be pregnant out of wedlock. Now it's celebrated and supported by federal subsidies. Families used to be a great deal more intact than they are now. We used to honor the teachings of the Bible. Now they are ridiculed. Marriage used to be held as valuable. Now it's just another institution waiting to be destroyed by the left. Men used to be responsible. Now the world is just there for our enjoyment and that includes women. There used to be some mystery about sex. Now it's just another activity in life. Movies used to be pretty clean. Now they are vulgar and crude. All of those factors have contributed, but the first four are primary.

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