[Magpie95]

Perhaps yours but not mine. We're joined at the hip. You should be sop fortunate, everybody should! Regards, Tom

This is awesome! I couldn't agree more. Marriage doesn't guarantee a commitment and married people also have unplanned pregnancies.

I myself don't need a to legally state I am married to feel 100% committed to my best friend and love of my life. We have talked about it and keep saying one day we'll get around to it. But really, neither of us cares one way or another. We talk about the future in terms of retirement, children, travel, etc... a life lived together. The traditional idea of marriage has been changing for some time. I have a great aunt and uncle who have been shacking up happily for 45 years or so.

As far as birth control methods, yes both sexes are responsible. But the woman is in the unique position of being the one that gets pregnant. I was about to turn 20 when I found out I had gotten pregnant. I had been on the pill. I had only been with one person, and he and I had been together for sometime. My boyfriend urged me to get an abortion. But being a strong willed woman, I noted his opinion and considered all my options myself. I even looked into the RH shot I would need due to being one of the 15% that is negative for it. In the end, I decided to abort at 4-5 weeks. Afterward, I was relieved. And since, I have not regretted it once. I realize to some, I am a murderer. Fortunately, those opinions do not bother me. I took the course of my life in my own hands that day. I made a decision for myself and my body that is really no one else's business.

[speechlesstx]

Guess you missed it,

The problem is Planned Parenthood drives sex 'education', they are the last people I want 'educating' our children.

Of course your position of responsibility doesn't cover a guy stepping up, and
Creates a helluva dilemma for females that do it your way, let things take a natural course. The problem with that is when they don't fit into YOUR idea of proper behavior, you make things hard by denying love a support.

You assume way too much.

On one hand you make them fit your mold, but on the other hand you take away choice and options. In reality this only happens when females are dependent and have no resources, or support, and then both mother and child suffers while you self righteously remove logical choices for unrealistic ones.

Even the ones who do the right things by YOUR standards are subject to the same hardships after a divorce. I get you lobby for unborn children, a noble endeavor, but unless YOU take responsibility for YOUR positions, by giving that love and support, you should mind your own business and take care of your own.

Oh pffffttt. I've had enough self-righteous spiels, you're just perpetuating myths. Let's deal with reality, not manufactured bullsh*t.

[talaniman]

You want facts, okay, woman and children suffer when you take away their choices, and forrce yours on them!

That's the real fact to deal with. Its not your business in the first place, and when you make it your business you make it YOUR responsibility.

That's reality.

[excon]

Hello again, wingers:

You know, this is really simple. I speak for the ALL the liberals in the whole wide world. We'd AGREE with your stance on abortion if you didn't have to take away women's right's to accomplish it..

excon

[speechlesstx]

You want facts, okay, woman and children suffer when you take away their choices, and forrce yours on them!

Thats the real fact to deal with. Its not your business in the first place, and when you make it your business you make it YOUR responsibility.

Thats reality.

As I said way back, the idea that once the child is born we leave them to fend for themselves is a manufactured MYTH. That's reality.

Funny how you libs are fond of telling us we're all in this together until it comes to abortion, then it's stay out of it, it doesn't affect you, it's none of your business. But let's see, I can't buy a Happy Meal in San Francisco, a 20 oz soda in New York, a medium-rare hamburger in North Carolina, swim in a river in King County, WA without wearing a personal flotation Device, smoke in my own home in some places, give my kid a homemade lunch in some schools - but you can kill your baby if you want.

[talaniman]

As I said way back, the idea that once the child is born we leave them to fend for themselves is a manufactured MYTH. That's reality.

No its not its right wing policy to give to the rich by taking from the poor, just read Mitts plan. Oh, thats right, you refuse to!

[speechlesstx]

No its not its right wing policy to give to the rich by taking from the poor, just read Mitts plan. Oh, thats right, you refuse to!

Do you not realize how silly that sounds, that a bunch of "rich, white guys" as your side often calls us, are going to go increase their wealth by taking it from people who have none. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

[talaniman]

So you read the plan right?? Stop dodging a simple question. That's the silly part to me. And the part about YOU being a rich white guy... I know better.

[Magpie95]

As I said way back, the idea that once the child is born we leave them to fend for themselves is a manufactured MYTH. That's reality.

Funny how you libs are fond of telling us we're all in this together until it comes to abortion, then it's stay out of it, it doesn't affect you, it's none of your business. But let's see, I can't buy a Happy Meal in San Francisco, a 20 oz soda in New York, a medium-rare hamburger in North Carolina, swim in a river in King County, WA without wearing a personal flotation Device, smoke in my own home in some places, give my kid a homemade lunch in some schools - but you can kill your baby if you want.

I agree. That's ridiculous for the government to monitor what we eat! When did the government become our parent? Trying to keep us from getting fat or getting cancer. Aren't we adults capable of making our own decisions and dealing with the outcome?

[speedball1]

but you can kill your baby if you want.

Boy! Does that take me back to the old daze when I was busy busting religious wackos out side the clinic I worked at. I would have loved to get speechlesstx.locked into my sights. How many times have I heard those nuts scream, "DON'T KILL YOUR BAY-BEE"? Just like old speechless posted.
Listening to "old spechless" rant and rave makes me homesick for the days when I had a job that was so much fun that I would have paid them to work there.
SApeechless. If you would have stepped one foot onto clinic property you would have been mine and enjoyed the hospitality of The Sarasota City Jail. And I would have hoped that they put you in a cell with a 6'5" 300 pound dude named Bubba that really dug males.

[speechlesstx]

Boy! Does that take me back to the old daze when I was busy busting religious wackos out side the clinic I worked at. I would have loved to get speechlesstx.locked into my sights.

Funny, but you're the only one using threatening language and quite frankly, it pi$$es me off a little. You don't scare me goober.

How many times have I heard those nuts scream, "DON'T KILL YOUR BAY-BEE"? Just like old speechless posted.

Obviously you can't distinguish the difference between having a discussion on the internet and morons yelling at women at an abortion clinic. We've already had this discussion beginning here, so you can just put your baseless, rabid attempt attempt to paint me as a right-wing wacko aside and go harass someone else..

SApeechless. If you would have stepped one foot onto clinic property you would have been mine and enjoyed the hospitality of The Sarasota City Jail. And I would have hoped that they put you in a cell with a 6'5" 300 pound dude named Bubba that really dug males.

Pardon me, but this post of yours is full of more bovine excrement than the Texas panhandle. You seem a little overtaken with blind rage, perhaps counseling would help.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You asked a while ago whether we thought abortion would ever be illegal again, and you said you didn't think it ever would.

I, however, think it's just one right wing Supreme Court Justice away.

excon

[speechlesstx]

And I thought the Obamacare mandate would be overturned.

Desperate for what?

[talaniman]

Hello again, Steve:

You asked a while ago whether we thought abortion would ever be illegal again, and you said you didn't think it ever would.

I, however, think it's just one right wing Supreme Court Justice away.

excon

No wonder the right wing is so desperate!!

[paraclete]

No war on women here

PM gets lift on way to raise status of women

[talaniman]

Desperate for what?

The house, the senate, the presidency, the courts and the full control of money and morality. And no prisoners

[speechlesstx]

The house, the senate, the presidency, the courts and the full control of money and morality. And no prisoners

Dude, do you really think we're putting all our marbles in overturning abortion? We're not the ones making this about women's rights, you are.

[excon]

We're not the ones making this about women's rights, you are.

Hello again, Steve:

Not really... You WANT it to be about abortion, but you NEGLECT to mention that in order to achieve your goal, you have to DESTROY women's reproductive rights... You can't just talk about ONE side of the equation and IGNORE the other side...

Well, that's why we're here.

excon

[talaniman]

Dude, do you really think we're putting all our marbles in overturning abortion? We're not the ones making this about women's rights, you are.

Women's rights
Abortions
Voting rights
Poor people rights
Church rights
State rights
Immigation rights
Old peoples rights
Governments rights
Gay rights

Conservatives vs everybody else's rights.

[speechlesstx]

Biden is obviously pro-woman...