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    #481

    Feb 10, 2014, 03:23 PM
    Yes, Tutty, I was going to get to that point eventually.
    Sure you were.

    Apparently some think you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater but you can threaten to kill the president
    If she threatened the president then that's law enforcement's job to address, but there was no threat involved.

    it's OK if the president is part of the other political party then the one they support.
    Which of us ever condoned threatening to kill the president? Hmmm???? Either put up or shut up. Meanwhile enjoy some real hate:

    ‘Piece of Sh** Should Die’: 10 of the Most Vile and Virulent Responses to President Bush’s Heart Surgery | TheBlaze.com

    Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Cheney Failed


    Bill Maher Wants To Celebrate Cheney's Death



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    #482

    Feb 10, 2014, 03:51 PM
    See... the US is full of people who hate. Quite sad to see, but glad I'm not part of it.
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    #483

    Feb 10, 2014, 03:57 PM
    See... the US is full of people who hate. Quite sad to see, but glad I'm not part of it.
    In other words, you're shutting up now. Too bad we aren't as tolerant as you.

    'Get Out Of J'lem Or You're Dead' Isn't Hate Crime - Global Agenda - News - Israel National News

    Burning Jews Not a Hate Crime in Canada
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    #484

    Feb 10, 2014, 04:02 PM
    Hahhaha... CanadaFreePress is a kook site not even written by Canadians. You'll believe anything if it fits your agenda.
    But I see that you believe in hate crime laws so that's good.
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    #485

    Feb 10, 2014, 04:23 PM
    yep they hate to be beaten
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    #486

    Feb 10, 2014, 06:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Sure you were.



    If she threatened the president then that's law enforcement's job to address, but there was no threat involved.



    Which of us ever condoned threatening to kill the president? Hmmm???? Either put up or shut up. Meanwhile enjoy some real hate:

    'Piece of Sh** Should Die': 10 of the Most Vile and Virulent Responses to President Bush's Heart Surgery | TheBlaze.com

    Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Cheney Failed


    Bill Maher Wants To Celebrate Cheney's Death




    Actually I had this in mind this:

    " The US. Supreme Court has held that government may not prohibit free speech that advocates illegal or subversive activity unless 'such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action that is likely to incite or produce such action' "


    legal dictionary/free dictionary.com
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    #487

    Feb 10, 2014, 06:37 PM
    And Tut, I believe I said if there were an actual threat then law enforcement should get involved, so what's the discrepancy in your position and mine?

    NK, you're brilliance is astounding. I am in awe of your awesomeness.
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    #488

    Feb 10, 2014, 07:24 PM
    speech it is always a question of jurisdiction, a threat against the president involves the Secret Service so stand aside and let the g-men do their job
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    #489

    Feb 11, 2014, 05:04 AM
    Yes, that changes my answer how? The Secret Service is a law enforcement agency.
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    #490

    Feb 11, 2014, 05:46 AM
    there was no threat .
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    #491

    Feb 11, 2014, 05:52 AM
    No there wasn't a threat.

    Meanwhile, you just can't make this stuff up. A guy who championed NY's SAFE act violated the law by carrying his permitted gun into a school, causing a lock down and his buddies defend him, saying his presence with a gun could have saved students if there were a real problem. Gee, that argument sounds familiar.

    Associates defend man who had gun in school - City & Region - The Buffalo News
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    #492

    Feb 11, 2014, 07:14 AM
    you really have to get a grip on this gun thing
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    #493

    Feb 11, 2014, 07:45 AM
    I have grips on my guns.
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    #494

    Feb 11, 2014, 07:58 AM
    Guns arn't the answer, they never were, they didn't protect you in 1812 and they don't protect you today
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    #495

    Feb 11, 2014, 08:14 AM
    Guns arn't the answer, they never were, they didn't protect you in 1812 and they don't protect you today
    And yet that's exactly the point made by associates of the guy in the article who wanted stricter gun control laws while violating them.

    In an ironic turn of events, Ferguson was charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon under that law for Thursday’s incident. The law carries a maximum sentence of up to four years in state prison.

    Some gun advocates opposed to the SAFE Act have argued that the law actually makes schools less safe since law-abiding handgun owners cannot possess their weapons on school grounds, while mass murderers have never heeded laws making schools gun-free zones.

    Ferguson held a New York State licensed pistol permit, but that makes no difference under the law.

    “The more they make these gun-free zones, the more they make people vulnerable to mass killers like at Columbine and Sandy Hook,” said Stephen J. Aldstadt, a Colden resident who serves as president of the state Shooters Committee on Political Education.

    Some of Ferguson’s supporters echoed similar criticism, saying that carrying a weapon meant Ferguson could have helped police in the event there was a gunman actually threatening students.

    “Dwayne probably was in a position to help the police not knowing that he was the one they were looking fo
    r,” said George Johnson, president of Buffalo United Front,
    And then there's this.

    Home Invasion Attempt Stopped By Woman WIth A Shotgun - Los Angeles Local News | FOX 11 LA KTTV

    You worry about your country, leave my rights alone



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    #496

    Feb 11, 2014, 01:24 PM
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    #497

    Feb 11, 2014, 01:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    No there wasn't a threat.

    Meanwhile, you just can't make this stuff up. A guy who championed NY's SAFE act violated the law by carrying his permitted gun into a school, causing a lock down and his buddies defend him, saying his presence with a gun could have saved students if there were a real problem. Gee, that argument sounds familiar.

    Associates defend man who had gun in school - City & Region - The Buffalo News

    Just in the interests of good journalism.

    As far as the report in the paper is concerned there was only ONE person actually supporting the Shooters' Committee on Political Education. The other quotes don't actually support that position.
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    #498

    Feb 11, 2014, 01:54 PM
    not the point I was making Speech, the number of times carrying a gun has averted an incident is few, knowing there was an armed population didn't frighten the British off. If you are not allowed to carry guns in some places this does not breach your constitutional rights. The whole point is to keep guns out of the hands of F**kwits who think they are the law as well as keeping them out of the hands of nuts, crims, kids, in fact anyone who doesn't have a legitimate reason to have one, therefore the ID of gun owners should be checked regularly and their storage checked also
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    #499

    Feb 11, 2014, 04:57 PM
    If this represents what you call a "few" then can I get a "few" dollars from you?

    Private Guns Stop Crime 2.5M Times A Year In US
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    #500

    Feb 11, 2014, 05:08 PM
    Interesting statistics I suppose you will tell me next that the 30000 people who lose their lives in gun violence every year are the perps and not the victims. You are in deniel, the level of gun violence in your society correlates to the level of gun ownership, the more guns they more gun violence, not less. What you are also telling me is you need 250 million guns to prevent 2.5 million crimes, I would say the deterrent isn't very effective as the effectiveness is only 1%.

    You know the crimes guns don't prevent, drug distribution, driveby shootings, fraud but what they enable is mass murder. You want to rid the world of WMD, I say you start with guns

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