[tomder55]

Couple things.

That government workers screw up ISN'T a Democrat problem. It's not even an Obama problem unless and until it's PROVEN that he ordered the IRS to target his enemy's..

Now you guys THINK it's true, but you're the only ones...

That four men were killed in an attack ISN'T a Democrat problem, and it's not even an Obama problem. It's NEVER going to be an Obama or Clinton problem..

Now, you guys THINK it is, but you're the only ones who do.

That the Government is targeting whistleblowers at the AP, is something somebody who thinks Julian Assange is a scumbag would LOVE. You're one of those, aren't you?

That you don't is kind of funny, doncha think? You HATE Obama, but you HATE whistleblowers... Poor right winger.. You can't decide WHICH side to hate more.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

The progressive ideas that garnered MORE votes than your side did are alive and well. Now, you guys THINK they're not, but you're the only ones.

Excon

Lois Lerner will plea the 5th today... which is a more honest response than the outright lies of Steven Miller and Douglas Shulman . She will resemble one of Jimmy Hoffa's criminal associates while questioned by Bobby Kennedy . Except she is allegedly not a member of a criminal organization .
You will recall that we did not know how high up the food chain the Watergate scandal went with the 1st revelations.
Combined ,all these scandals makes one believe that we have an Executive Dept out of control .
Take for example the under reported scandal about the mafioso strong arm tactics being employed by HHS director Kathlene Sebilius to pay for ObamaCare propaganda to pressure people to enroll in the health exchanges.
Now combine them together because I have no doubt that the same uneven criteria will be employed for evaluating tax returns under the IRS role in Obamacare that the IRS used in evaluating applications for exemptions and what we have is an Executive branch that has no problem employing criminal tactics in its enforcement of the law . We know that shake down by Sebilius is coming from the cabinet level at the White House . Why shouldn't we believe that the IRS scandal did not come from the inner sanctum?

The spying on the news agencies goes beyond AP and James Rosen too. We now know that
Sharyl Attkisson, a CBS News investigative reporter who has been reporting extensively on Benghazi , says that her personal and work computers have been compromised . She hasn't gone into details except to say that it is similar to the Rosen situation.Jonathan Karl of ABC followed up the reporting of the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes on the Benghazi emails,and has been the target of a relentless assault by the Obama apologists in the liberal blogsphere. They mock Mitch McConnell's assertion that the Emperor and his staff have instilled “a culture of intimidation” .But what other conclusion can one draw ? The only difference between the IRS of the Nixon era and the IRS today is that the IRS resisted Nixon's attempt to use it as a political tool.

A government that can't be trusted to handle the processing of tax exemption applications without using political criteria that conform with the president's political philosophy... that uses extortion to get it's way... that spies on journalists with impunity... cannot be trusted to rule over ,and manage our health care system ;and frankly cannot be trusted to govern .

[speechlesstx]

Do you recall Atkisson telling Laura Ingraham how the White House treated her for digging on Benghazi?

I’m certainly not the one to make the case for DOJ and White House about what I’m doing wrong. They will tell you that I’m the only reporter–as they told me–that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.

And do you remember when during the push for Obamacare that Obama called for snitches in the run-up to Obamacare, setting up an "AttackWatch" website? How he set up his Truth Team during the election?

Lots of dots getting connected these last two weeks, this administration is nothing but a bunch of thugs that will stop at nothing, no tactic too outrageous, no law or constitutional right too burdensome, no ethics whatsoever if you ask me and it comes from the top.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

if you ask me and it comes from the top.

If I were you, I'd think so too. After all, I still believe that Bush LIED.

I'm willing, however, to let the evidence lead us.

Excon

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Do you recall Atkisson telling Laura Ingraham how the White House treated her for digging on Benghazi?

I've mentioned several times about your previous disdain for whistleblowers when national security was involved. Now that it's FOX and/or CNN, and/or AP instead of Wikkileaks, or some hapless soldier, what's the difference?

I'm willing to embrace your outrage as long as it's NOT selective outrage.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
I've mentioned several times about your previous disdain for whistleblowers when national security was involved. Now that it's FOX and/or CNN, and/or AP instead of Wikkileaks, or some hapless soldier, what's the difference?

I'm willing to embrace your outrage as long as it's NOT selective outrage.

excon

Are you willing to acknowledge there's a difference between a government employee trying to right a wrong and a hacker stealing information and setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.

[NeedKarma]

It works the other way too, it's all in the wording:

there's a difference between a government employee setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog and a website receiving information and trying to right a wrong? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.

[tomder55]

Hello again, Steve:
I've mentioned several times about your previous disdain for whistleblowers when national security was involved. Now that it's FOX and/or CNN, and/or AP instead of Wikkileaks, or some hapless soldier, what's the difference?

I'm willing to embrace your outrage as long as it's NOT selective outrage.

excon

You are mistaking whistle blowers with the press that reports what the whistle blowers give them. I wanted the weight of the government to come down hard on Bradley Manning as he was the leaker... Wikileaks I consider an annoyance,but they were NOT the leaker . I defended the rights of Judith Miller when she was unconstitutionally thrown into jail for not disclosing her source in the Plame investigation.
This thing against Rosen takes it a step further and coincides with the Emperor's very public war against FOX .They also knowingly lied in court to get access to his cell phone and private email . They made the absurd claim that he was part of a criminal conspiracy . That was ground breaking chutzpah that you should find chiiling .If they did that to one reporter ,and to a whole news organization then why should we believe it ended there ? Well now we know that a CBS award winning investigative journalist was also targeted .
Again... this is Hugo Chavez purge the press stuff . But still you defend it.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

But still you defend it.

No, I haven't. I don't know the story yet. All I've done is ask why YOU think this incursion into the press is different than ANY incursion into the press... You DECRY one, and support the other.

Personally, I'm a staunch defender of the free press.. In this digital age, the "press" IS, is no longer what the press WAS. What I want is information about my government, and if the conventional press doesn't give it to me, and the digital press does, then they're the PRESS.

I support ALL of them.. I want ALL the information I can get about my government... You folks, on the other hand, seem to put your head in the sand when information comes at you from places you don't like.

Excon

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

No, I haven't. I don't know the story yet. All I've done is ask why YOU think this incursion into the press is different than ANY incursion into the press... You DECRY one, and support the other.

Personally, I'm a staunch defender of the free press.. In this digital age, the "press" IS, is no longer what the press WAS. What I want is information about my government, and if the conventional press doesn't give it to me, and the digital press does, then they're the PRESS.

I support ALL of them.. I want ALL the information I can get about my government... You folks, on the other hand, seem to put your head in the sand when information comes at you from places you don't like.

excon

What incursion into the press did I defend ? Read above again. My going after Bradley Manning is not going after the press. I don't recall you complaining about Judith Miller going to jail for 85 days for protecting her source from Inspector Javert Fitzpatrick .

[speechlesstx]

It works the other way too, it's all in the wording:

No, it doesn't, it's all in the FACTS. Don't you have some other forum to ruin?

[NeedKarma]

It absolutely works the other way. All you have to do is substitute the wikileaks with a conservative "think tank" or blog.
It's always personal with you isn't it.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Are you willing to acknowledge there's a difference between a government employee trying to right a wrong and a hacker stealing information and setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.

No.

They're two sides of the same coin. I care about the information, not the messenger.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

It absolutely works the other way. All you have to do is substitute the wikileaks with a conservative "think tank" or blog.

Well geez, you can substitute a lot of things and come up with imitations, but it isn't the same thing. I was very specific, stick to the facts. Better yet, let ex answer the questions I ask specifically of him.

It's always personal with you isn't it.

No, you're just as about as welcome as a tick on one's genitals.

[NeedKarma]

as welcome as a tick on one's genitals.

What a class act. LOL

Anyway yes, I agree with ex, it's the information not the messenger which is what I was alluding to. A concept that is totally foreign to you.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

No.

They're two sides of the same coin. I care about the information, not the messenger.

excon

Sorry, but I look at motive and circumstances. Assange is a self-righteous hacker digging for sh*t he has no right to and doesn't give a rat's a$$ how many innocent people he may harm in the process. He DESERVES prison.

Contrast that with say, the Fast and Furious whistleblower - a government agent with firsthand knowledge, who was trying tell the truth about the US government letting guns walk, which led to the murder of a Border Patrol agent and untold violence in Mexico. He deserves protection.

The Obama administration goes after BOTH.

One is honorable, one is not, and that does matter to me.

[speechlesstx]

What a class act. LOL

Hey, if the shoe fits I see no reason for me to pull punches.

Anyway yes, I agree with ex, it's the information not the messenger which is what I was alluding to. A concept that is totally foreign to you.

Just as honor and integrity are foreign concepts to you.

[NeedKarma]

If nothing else your fairy tales are entertaining.

[speechlesstx]

If nothing else your fairy tales are entertaining.

I'm OK with letting the facts speak for themselves. Now don't you have some other forum to troll or you just obsessed with me still?

[NeedKarma]

I'm OK with letting the facts speak for themselves.

That's exactly what ex and I are saying. We all agree.

[Catsmine]

Didn't somebody say they weren't worried about Barak Hussein Obama as much as they were worried about Barak Capone Obama several years ago? Welcome to Chicagoland, pay up and shut up.