[Wondergirl]

But it's not at Ground Zero and won't even be able to be seen from Ground Zero.

[smoothy]

But it's not at Ground Zero and won't even be able to be seen from Ground Zero.

Ummm where do you think they plan to build this... Long Island?

[Synnen]

At least a block away (maybe two blocks?) from Ground Zero, in the middle of the block, behind some other buildings that prevent it from viewing the actual site.

I haven't done a lot of research on this, but I knew that much.

[Wondergirl]

Ummm where do you think they plan to build this....Long Island?

Two blocks away and around a corner, from Vesey to Park Pl. -- and won't overshadow or even overlook Ground Zero.

[excon]

Hello ladies:

You're not going to let him get away with making ALL Muslims guilty for a few. I certainly HOPE not, but that's what he's doing. I'd tell him he's full of it, but we broke up. Besides, I wouldn't know where to start or where to stop. He chooses his facts like his underwear.

excon

[Wondergirl]

He doesn't appear to know where they are going to build it, so he certainly doesn't know WHO is going to build it.

It must be awful to live in such a scary world.

[smoothy]

He doesn't appear to know where they are going to build it, so he certainly doesn't know WHO is going to build it.

It must be awful to live in such a scary world.

Well you think its halfway across town. You are aware THAT building they plan to tear down was damaged by the landing gear from one of the Planes that hit the tower AFTER they passed through the tower. That's pretty damn close to Ground zero. So before you get snippy, you can walk that distance in only a couple minutes and by that I mean about 3 minutes IF you don't have a red light, You can jog it in a hell of a lot less, its not a 5 minute cab ride with green lights and no traffic..

But clearly... with that snotty attitude, you clearly had ZERO connections ot those Terrorist acts... and probibly were not even any where near any of them.

Don't forget I was INSIDE the freaking Pentagon, and if it wasn't for a really odd bit of anxiety and impatience where I really wanted to get out of there... I would have still been there. So before you make any cocky comments about what its like to live in a scarey world... you had better think long and hard.

Maybe if you are ever a victim of a violent crime where you Seriously almost die at the hands of some idiots... THEN, and Only THEN will you have any place to make a crack like that without someone taking a serious offense at it.

And yeah... I'm being serious, I think that remark was really out of line. That's far beyond a debate... thats a personal jab at someone who was there... got any other smart comments to direct for people that got out of the Towers too? Since obviously anyone who was there that day and managed to walk away by sheer luck by your definition are being totally unreasonible for being upset at those terrorists and anyone who wants to erect a memorial to them.

Yeah I'm pis*ed off right now... in a VERY big way. And I don't get this way easy.


You know what... if you got robbed a gunpoint next week, how would YOU feel if I said get over it... that they were nowhere near killing you after all...

Bet you wouldn't think it was very nice.

[XOXOlove]

I feel sick every time I see any article or anything about the Mosque being built near ground zero, but I'm always tempted to put my two cents in mainly because my family is Muslim.

Although I don't follow the religion, I know that all Muslims are not terrorists. It makes me sick to think that people would call my parents or my family terrorists. I think that people who are intolerant of all muslims are just close-minded. They don't know that America isn't the only country that has been attacked by terrorists. The Taliban has also killed people in their own countries. My family is Pakistani and are Ahmadi Muslims. Ahmadis and several other sects are persecuted in Pakistan and are not considered Islamic by some fundamentalists. Recently, one of the mosques in my parents' old hometown was shot down by terrorists and a lot of people including children were killed. Most of my family lives in America because of the fact that Ahmadis are persecuted in Pakistan. My uncle actually helped many families in Pakistan come to America in the 70s.

Anyway, the reason why I'm telling everyone about my family and their religion is to show how most muslims come to America to have a better life, not to kill Americans. How would it make you feel if you came to a country to get away from people that hated you for no reason and everyone in that new country still hated you? After 9/11 many people have become prejudiced against all Muslims. I was 10 when the attacks happened and the next day I when I went to school, my own teacher lectured about how all muslims are terrorists and bad people. Can you imagine how a kid would feel if you told them that everyone in their family is a terrorist? On top of that, after 9/11, people- including children threw rocks at our mosque in NYC.

Overall, I obviously think that the mosque should be built next to ground zero- even if people throw rocks at it, protest in front of it, and kill the people in it because it is the only way, people will be able to look back and relize that it was wrong for being intolerant.

[smoothy]

Hello ladies:

You're not going to let him get away with making ALL Muslims guilty for a few. I certainly HOPE not, but that's what he's doing. I'd tell him he's full of it, but we broke up. Besides, I wouldn't know where to start or where to stop. He chooses his facts like his underwear.

excon

I'm really ticked off at wondergirls personal attack... and I'm letting loose.

You know what... screw you too, I suppose you contribute to the Terrorists. You know... too damn bad YOU weren't in the tower or the Pentagon... too bad one of YOUR faminly even wasn't... because in case you are totally unaware.. the Terrorists WERE Muslim... and while not ALL muslims were guilty of supporting them (YOUR comment NOT mine, and if you insist prove otherwise... I'm not a moderator and I can't edit my own threads after they lock)... a VERY high percentage were.

Believe any damn thing you want... but anyone who defends the terrorists as YOU are doing and attacking people who actually WERE there, unlike you really goes a long way to showing which side you are on. ANd you really don't care about the rights of real Americans... after all, you also think the entire population of latin America has a constitutional right to cross our borders illegally.

Clearly you don't live on the east coast so why should you care.

I really hope the next terrorist attack is on the Golden Gate Bridge, the Space needle and any damn thing else that passes as a landmark on the WEST Coast... maybe that is what it will take to get the lefties over there to grasp that the enemy is the terrorists and even more so the silent radical element that infests far too many Mosques around the world... not the republicans.

Anfd if that freaking Mosque is ever built... I am throwing a Bar-B-Que party in honor of whoever pulls it off burning it down.

Because It's a HUGE offense to the American population by the Muslims and latest pols show 73 percent of the American Public is against it. I'm far from being alone.

THe Muslims don't get it... fine. Let us build a HUGE Christian Cathedral in both Mecca AND Medina. Maybe that's something they can understand after all its our right.. lets see how far the Muslims allow that to go. Not this far I'll put good money on.

[excon]

You know what...screw you too, I suppose you contribute to the Terrorists. You know...too damn bad YOU weren't in the tower or the Pentagon...too.

Hello again, smoothy:

Because you were there doesn't give you license to make up facts. You did. I called you on it. You didn't like it. Goodby.

excon

[XOXOlove]

I'm really ticked off at wondergirls personal attack....and I'm letting loose.

You know what...screw you too, I suppose you contribute to the Terrorists. You know...too damn bad YOU weren't in the tower or the Pentagon...too bad one of YOUR faminly even wasn't....because in case you are totally unaware..the Terrorists WERE Muslim...and while not ALL muslims were guilty of supporting them (YOUR comment NOT mine, and if you insist prove otherwise...I'm not a moderator and I can't edit my own threads after they lock)...a VERY high percentage were.

Believe any damn thing you want.....but anyone who defends the terrorists as YOU are doing and attacking people who actually WERE there, unlike you really goes a long way to showing which side you are on. ANd you really don't care about the rights of real Americans....after all, you also think the entire population of latin America has a constitutional right to cross our borders illegally.

Clearly you don't live on the east coast so why should you care.

I really hope the next terrorist attack is on the Golden Gate Bridge, the Space needle and any damn thing else that passes as a landmark on the WEST Coast....maybe that is what it will take to get the lefties over there to grasp that the enemy is the terrorists and even more so the silent radical element that infests far too many Mosques around the world....not the republicans.

Anfd if that freaking Mosque is ever built...I am throwing a Bar-B-Que party in honor of whoever pulls it off burning it down.

Because Its a HUGE offense to the American population by the Muslims and latest pols show 73 percent of the American Public is against it. I'm far from being alone.

THe Muslims don't get it...fine. Let us build a HUGE Christian Cathedral in both Mecca AND Medina. Maybe thats something they can understand after all its our right.. lets see how far the Muslims allow that to go. Not this far I'll put good money on.

Smoothy, if you think that not muslims are gulity of supporting terrorists, why would you assume that the muslims that want to build the mosque near ground zero are an offense to the American population? On top of that do you assume that that all of those Muslims aren't American.. I'm sure a lot of them are American.

[Wondergirl]

So before you make any cocky comments about what its like to live in a scarey world... you had better think long and hard.

I lived in that world for 45 years. I managed to find my way out finally.

Maybe if you are ever a victim of a violent crime where you Seriously almost die at the hands of some idiots... THEN, and Only THEN will you have any place to make a crack like that without someone taking a serious offense at it.

So ALL Muslims are idiots and are worthy of your disrespect?

anyone who wants to erect a memorial to them.

That's not true.

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

Because you were there doesn't give you license to make up facts. You did. I called you on it. You didn't like it. Goodby.

excon

Bullsh1t... you pulled something out of your butt, prove it... link ot a thread where I have said that. Otherwise you are no different than Obama whoes entire life is a lie which is why nearly ALL of his records are being kept secret from the public.

[Synnen]

Smoothy--Nope, I wasn't there.

I WAS in Seattle during the WTO riots, though--and during the lockdown at New Year's from 1999-2000 because of the terrorist threats to the Space Needle. I was living on the west coast when they caught a man coming in from Canada with a bomb, and when they started searching for his confederates.

No, not ALL Muslims are terrorists. Not even MOST of them are. A small percentage ARE--just like a small percentage of any OTHER religion are evil.

You will never see how holding an entire religion accountable for the actions of a few is making a Nazi of you. Your idea is to persecute and treat as secondary citizens ALL Muslims, even though there are quite a few Muslims who are American. How is that different from stopping Jews from having the same rights in 1930s Germany as other German citizens?

I don't care WHAT happened to you. You have a scary mind when it comes to Muslims, because you don't operate on FACTS--just on your beliefs that they're ALL to blame for 9/11.

I hope that they DO build the Mosque there, and that you someday get to visit it to see that your fears are false.

[Synnen]

Bullsh1t...you pulled something out of your butt, prove it...link ot a thread where I have said that. Otherwise you are no different than Obama whoes entire life is a lie which is why nearly ALL of his records are being kept secret from the public.

This is off-topic, but his records aren't being kept any more secret than your own are. The public doesn't have a right to see his personal records any more than the public has a right to see yours.

[smoothy]

Smoothy, if you think that not muslims are gulity of supporting terrorists, why would you assume that the muslims that want to build the mosque near ground zero are an offense to the American population? On top of that do you assume that that all of those Muslims aren't American..I'm sure a lot of them are American.

Because #1... its a sybol of Islam very near to a major act of Islamic Terrorism. MOST americans view this as a VERY offensive action by Muslims with absolutely NO concern about the sensitivities and feeling of the entire American Nation, and an act of total Disrespect to this country and its people as a whoile. Most Americans DO feel that way... recent Polls in the last two days shows roughly 73% (with a small margin of error as no poll is 100% accurate) of the American public is very much against that Mosque.

Let me toss this out as an example. Say a ticked off Christian flew a plan into Mecca during the Pilgramage... kills a bunch of people... in a few years WE pay to build a HUGE Catholic Church near the site... how would Muslims view that. I bet you would have thousands blowing themselves up to take it down. Of course there would be a few Muslims that might be fine with a church there... but if they said it in public they would be persecuted in their own land.


Now that's hypothetical since CHristians aren't allowed in Mecca or Medina, much less allowed to build a church there... so much for repsect for other religions by Islam.

[cdad]

This is off-topic, but his records aren't being kept any more secret than your own are. The public doesn't have a right to see his personal records any more than the public has a right to see yours.

Actually in the case of a President the public does have a right to know. Otherwise using your logic the president could evade laws simply by refusing to comply. It's a different standard then your average citizen.

[smoothy]

Smoothy, if you think that not muslims are gulity of supporting terrorists, why would you assume that the muslims that want to build the mosque near ground zero are an offense to the American population? On top of that do you assume that that all of those Muslims aren't American..I'm sure a lot of them are American.

Do you not read any threads...

For the last 1,300 years Islam Doctrine has mandated they build a Mosque on the prime site of any and every conquest over Jews or Christians... I know its inconvienient to the left, but History has proven that time and time again... examples were given earlier in this thread by someone else.

[smoothy]

I lived in that world for 45 years. I managed to find my way out finally.

So ALL Muslims are idiots and are worthy of your disrespect?

That's not true.

Well you clearly have been living a sheltered life, because your lack of comprehension of having someone try to kill you and almost succede is very telling.

Pray tell, to you think rape victims had it coming and the rapist simply misunderstood her actions as an advance?

Then exactly why do you think I should forget that brainwashed Islamic Zealots tried to kill me and I'm walking the earth today over what is nothing more than a very strange premonition of sorts. Because I've never before or to this day bailed out on a customer before they sorted out a problem... ONLY that one day I HAD to get out of there. Didn't feel like something bad was going to happen, just an overwhelming desire to get out of there and go to my office nearby.

You saw it on TV... its NOT the same thing at all, and anyone that got out of the Towers that day or were nearby will tell you the same thing.

You know and oddly enough nobody from my employer was in there that morning which was very odd since we had a LOT of customers in there and there was always several people in there on any given day.

I am not building a Church in Mecca or Medina... do you think THAT would be well received my most muslims? I think not.

Do I think all muslims are bad? No... but let me tell you I believe most do harbor anti American and anti Christian as well as anti Jewish sentiments... I also do not associate with or trust any Mslim that wears a Head Scarf or wears a Burqa. Because my Muslim friends who were Afghan Born and immigrated and also devout... say there is nothing that directs them to wear those coverings, and I consider them among my best friends. It's the foolish rants of the many misguided religious leaders of that faith that say you have to cover your hair... or the real whackos that call for burqas. And Besides... this is America... we don't like masks or people hiding behind things... people covering themselves up from view are hiding something. What that stuff, move to Saudi Arabia or Iran where nobody has rights.

[cdad]

Do you not read any threads....

for the last 1,300 years Islam Doctrine has mandated they build a Mosque on the prime site of any and every conquest over Jews or Christians....I know its inconvienient to the left, but History has proven that time and time again....examples were given earlier in this thread by someone else.

Ref:

Destruction of Hindu Temples by Aurangzeb