[tomder55]

Yes I think they would lie about a rape if they found out that the only way to get an abortion after 20 weeks is if there had been a rape or incest ,or if taking the pregnancy to term would harm them . What I want to know is why would they wait for 20 weeks to make that determination ?
I don't like abortion at any point of the pregnancy.. but 20 weeks ,when a baby is fully formed ,is monsterous .

[speechlesstx]

Just as incredulous is the idea that a woman horrified by the thought of bearing the rapist's baby would wait 5 months to get an abortion.

[excon]

yes I think they would lie about a rape... What I want to know is why would they wait for 20 weeks to make that determination ?

Just as incredulous is the idea that a woman horrified by the thought of bearing the rapist's baby would wait 5 months to get an abortion.

Hello again, wingers:

I don't know why she'd wait. I don't think she would. But, THAT isn't the issue at hand.. It's that you BELIEVE she'd lie.

THAT is an affront TO every single female in the nation.

Excon

[tomder55]

Without proof why even bother having that provision ? But that's the point isn't it ? The left wants no restrictions to 3rd trimester baby wacking

[excon]

Hello again, wingers:

The left wants no restrictions to 3rd trimester baby wacking

I'm an either/or kind of guy. During the period when a woman can legally get an abortion (whatever it is), I'm FOR absolutely UNRESTRICTED access.. Why not? It's LEGAL, after all.

After that time, however, I'm for restricting access ABSOLUTELY. Why not? It's ILLEGAL, after all..

Excon

[excon]

without proof why even bother having that provision ?

Hello again, tom:

My point exactly.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Moving on...

If you recall, wind farms can be quite hazardous to birds with a number of bald eagles biting the bullet - without repercussion from the government. Well, don't try and save one...

Man Rescues Bald Eagle, Could Face Jail Time

An Indiana man was charged this week with the unlawful possession of a bald eagle, which the man says he cared for and rescued from the mud pit in which it was trapped. The former Department of Natural Resources employee, Jeffrey Henry, could face up to 60 days of jail time and a $500 fine as part of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, Yahoo reports:

As reported by WISH News 8, Henry had the bird in his home for 11 hours after several weeks of caring for the sick animal in the wild. The outdoorsman told the station that he noticed the bird a few weeks ago when he was hunting for mushrooms in Putnam County. The eagle was unable to fly, stuck in mud, and hungry, so he fed it fish eventually two times a day. When campers on four-wheelers arrived in the area, Henry suspected the grounded eagle would be in danger.

He said, “I took him a fish out there and as we was leaving, the bird starting following me, and continued to follow me, there’s no way to actually chase him off because he’d turn around and run right back to me. So I put the bird up on my arm and we got in the truck and took him to the house.” Having previously worked for the DNR, Henry knew he was breaking the law saying, “I’m probably going to be in a little bit of trouble, which I understand.” Though Henry believes he made the right choice adding, “I chose to take the punishment over the welfare of the bird.”

Henry said he planned to take the bird, which he named Freedom, to the Indianapolis Zoo.

Eagles and other raptors have faced difficult times under the Obama administration, as clean-energy subsidies fuel wind turbines that can decapitate and injure the birds.

[NeedKarma]

He violated that act. Why he did it has little bearing.

[tomder55]

Hello again, wingers:
I'm an either/or kinda guy. During the period of time when a woman can legally get an abortion (whatever it is), I'm FOR absolutely UNRESTRICTED access.. Why not? It's LEGAL, after all.

After that time, however, I'm for restricting access ABSOLUTELY. Why not? It's ILLEGAL, after all..

excon

OK then take away the exceptions... NO abortions after 20 weeks... Does that make it more women friendly ?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

You keep focusing on TIME. I don't KNOW when viability is these days, but WHATEVER it is, that's the time I support.

And, it IS more woman friendly.

excon

[speechlesstx]

He violated that act. Why he did it has little bearing.

You do realize there is discretion on whether to file charges and a human being would opt not to punish someone for saving a life.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

You keep focusing on TIME. I don't KNOW when viability is these days, but WHATEVER it is, that's the time I support.

And, it IS more woman friendly.

excon

An exception for rape or incest or health of the mother is less women friendly.. OK .I get it .

[talaniman]

Has anyone ever asked women why they wait so long to decide? Naw a bunch of guys just decided it was wrong and never address the very real issues. For that you have to get THEIR side of it. Too bad you don't trust them, or care to listen.

I know plenty of female prolifers are out there, like Marsha Blackburn who will put a female face on things but she never asked that important question either, nor explained it, so its not addressed and affects poor females and families disproportionately.

[tomder55]

Has anyone ever asked women why they wait so long to decide? Naw a bunch of guys just decided it was wrong and never address the very real issues. For that you have to get THEIR side of it. Too bad you don't trust them, or care to listen.

I know plenty of female prolifers are out there, like Marsha Blackburn who will put a female face on things but she never asked that important question either, nor explained it, so its not addressed and affects poor females and families disproportionately.

Do you want the exception or not (?) is the issue . If you make a specific exception why would you not require proof ? It doesn't make sense . What you have here is a cheap talking point by the Dems who's real goal was to have no restrictions . They want to legally wack a baby up until the moment of delivery . Stop the bs. I know from the debate on the bill exactly what the issue was.

[talaniman]

The bill is cruel, stupid, and dead in the water. The real issue is why females wait so long to handle their business. That's why we go in circles here all the time because you righty's refuse to address the real issues and I trust what my friend J_9 has been saying all along, identify and confirm pregnancy 2 weeks after a missed period, and then talk to HER physician. That's 6 weeks by my recollection, so forget me going along with the righty written house bill in any form.

Let get to the heart of the matter and that's the informed choices based in science to PREVENT pregnancy from even getting that far along with no decision. Or a bad one made in fear or desperation. Redefining rape to be legitimate or not depending on it being reported to authorities is offensive so I continue to reject the notion a female has to prove she was raped in the first place.

That's a small percentage of the pregnancies any way, so lets get back to the real issue of a proper education and knowing when you missed that first period, and the ways to handle it.

And how the hell can you make such a provision without knowing and examining the root causes of a delayed decision?

[tomder55]

No that is not the real issue . It's a diversion . If you want to get rid of the butcheries that disguise themselves as health clinics then the barbaric practice of 3rd trimester abortions has to end. The exception is one of those " compromises/concessions " that our side makes and your side never seems to do.

[speechlesstx]

no that is not the real issue . It's a diversion . If you want to get rid of the butcheries that disguise themselves as health clinics then the barbaric practice of 3rd trimester abortions has to end. The exception is one of those " compromises/concessions " that our side makes and your side never seems to do.

Wait, wasn't it Tal that said we have no middle ground?

[speechlesstx]

Hagel Asks Indian Professor if He's Member of the Taliban

[excon]

Hello Steve:

Yeah, he stepped in that one, didn't he?

Kind of like Bush trying to grab Merkel's tit.

excon

[tomder55]

Hagel must be a Biden clone .