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    Sep 6, 2024, 01:09 PM
    He raised himself up from coming from a dysfunctional family with a drug addict mom ;a father that abandoned them . He was raised by his grandmother . Still he became an Ivy League graduate ;a best selling author ;and a Senator. That was weird in that it is exceptionally rare but it is the essence of the American dream to pull oneself up and achieve despite the cards he was dealt.
    How sick has this country become, or at least a substantial part of it, that this is termed "weird". It is a reflection on how desperate liberal dems have become that they would refer to this man in such a way.
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    Sep 8, 2024, 04:48 AM
    Kam the Sham is either a radical lefty or a shape shifting chameleon .Currently she is trying to have it both ways depending on her audience. The most laugh out loud stance she takes is that she is a change candidate despite the fact that she has been second in command for 3 1/2 years .
    Harris Promises to Chart ‘New Way Forward’ as She Accepts Nomination - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    I don't know if or when the compiant press will take her to task as she has so far been successful in playing run out the clock defense. Maybe the debate will force her hand .

    James Carville in the NY Slimes wrote an op-ed about this while offering an out for her.

    He says she must win the debate . Not an easy task against Trump. She is already hedging her bet . She tried to change the rules in the middle of the game as Dems are wont to do.

    Kamala Harris accepts muted mic rule in upcoming debate with Donald Trump after initial pushback (nypost.com)

    Carville's second advice is that she break from Clueless Joe's policies .


    To be the certified fresh candidate, Ms. Harris must clearly and decisively break from Mr. Biden on a set of policy priorities she believes would define her presidency.Here’s an idea: Do it one day in a swing state, just a hair after the debate. Hold a rally. Put out a broad list of “new way forward” policies that detail why she is breaking from the sitting president on the given issues and what change would deliver to the American people. And after that rally, do a news conference on it, so media organizations stop cranking their clamshells about a lack of access. Don’t run from your differences with the president. Embrace them, respectfully and honestly.For Ms. Harris to break from Mr. Biden more explicitly than she has done so far would not be an insult to his legacy, just as Mr. Biden’s objectively more progressive policy agenda was not an insult to Mr. Obama’s. Rather, it shows even more sharply that she is passionate about her own ideas and represents change rather than more of the same.
    First it is debatable that Joe broke from the emperor at all. The emperor was the hopey changey guy who also did not really define who he was. His policies were radical . All Joe did was double down on them. Kam will double down again .She just won't say so.
    Her attempts to pivot are transparent . An honest media would be all over it. Carville says he way out is to say (like the emperor would say ) that she her positions have "evolved " and that she has learned on the job."The retort can be simple: I learned from my time governing in the White House. These are my positions. Take it or leave it."

    The Dems never let us "leave it" We have no choice to take it where the sun don't shine.
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    Sep 8, 2024, 05:16 AM
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    Sep 9, 2024, 02:57 AM
    Bolshevik Bernie on 'Meet the Press ' confirmed yesterday that Kam the Sham has intentionally toned down her radical lefty rhetoric as a campaign ploy to appeal to the middle.
    KRISTEN WELKER: You have described Vice President Kamala Harris as a progressive. She has previously supported Medicare for all. Now, she does not. She's previously supported a ban on fracking, now she does not. These, Senator, are ideas that you have campaigned on. Do you think that she is abandoning her progressive ideals?

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: No, I don't think she's abandoning her ideals. I think she's trying to be pragmatic and doing what she thinks is right in order to win the election. My own view is slightly different. I think that in America today there are a lot of people, rural people, working class people, who no longer believe that the United States Congress and government represents their interests, too dominated by big-money interest.

    So I think that there is something wrong, personally, when we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all of our people, despite spending twice as much per capita. That is why I support Medicare for all. She does not.

    She has another approach toward moving toward universal health care. But again, I think on issues like expanding Medicare by expanding social security and lifting the cap on taxable income that the rich put in so we can raise social security benefits, the need to raise the minimum wage from a starvation $7.25 minimum wage to a living wage, I think if you campaign on those issues, raising taxes on billionaires, you know what? She's going to win. And I think she could win big.

    KRISTEN WELKER: Well, let me just ask you, then, big picture. Do you still consider Vice President Kamala Harris to be progressive, Senator?

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: I do. Look, she is not where I am. But I think, for example, when she talks about making the child tax credit permanent, and you know we did that in the American Rescue Plan. We lowered childhood poverty by 40%. Kristen, we should not have, as the richest country on earth, one of the highest rates in childhood poverty in the world.

    When she talks about building 3 million units of affordable housing, that's a big deal because we have a major housing crisis in America. When she talks about passing the PEARL Act to make it easier for workers to join unions, that's a big deal because we have to expand the union movement so that workers get decent wages. So yeah, her views are not mine, but I do consider her progressive.
    Bernie Sanders: Kamala Harris Is Not Abandoning Her Progressive Ideals, She's Trying To Be "Pragmatic... In Order To Win The Election" | Video | RealClearPolitics
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    Sep 9, 2024, 06:31 AM
    When she talks about building 3 million units of affordable housing,
    Yes, that's a great idea. If you figure 200K per unit, then it would be a mere 600 billion dollars that we can just add to our ever growing national debt.

    He raised himself up from coming from a dysfunctional family with a drug addict mom ;a father that abandoned them . He was raised by his grandmother . Still he became an Ivy League graduate ;a best selling author ;and a Senator. That was weird in that it is exceptionally rare but it is the essence of the American dream to pull oneself up and achieve despite the cards he was dealt.


    How sick has this country become, or at least a substantial part of it, that this is termed "weird". It is a reflection on how desperate liberal dems have become that they would refer to this man in such a way.
    I'd love to see WG's response to this.
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    Sep 9, 2024, 09:32 AM
    "He raised himself up from coming from a dysfunctional family with a drug addict mom ;a father that abandoned them . He was raised by his grandmother . Still he became an Ivy League graduate ;a best selling author ;and a Senator. That was weird in that it is exceptionally rare but it is the essence of the American dream to pull oneself up and achieve despite the cards he was dealt."

    Who is the above person?
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    Sep 9, 2024, 10:21 AM
    Kama Chameleon (askmehelpdesk.com)

    But really, what difference does it make? Could any person with that kind of background be fairly called "weird"? I ask that because, frankly, you called him weird. I wonder what it is about him that makes him "weird" to you.

    Kama Chameleon (askmehelpdesk.com)

    I do thank you for responding to the question.
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    Sep 10, 2024, 03:11 AM
    Kam the Sham FINALLY released her positions the day before the debate .

    A New Way Forward - Kamala Harris for President: Official Campaign Website

    Now here's the problem . She has flipped on so many positions that even the compliant press can't ignore the contradictions.

    KFILE: Harris pledged support in 2019 to cut ICE funding and provide transgender surgery to detained migrants | CNN Politics

    5 False Claims Underlying Kamala Harris’ Belated Policy Platform (dailysignal.com)

    Kamala Harris must now answer for her past positions — then she can flip the script on Trump | Salon.com

    In doing these flip flops she has weakened her arguments against Trump

    Here are some examples
    Fracking . "My values have not changed. I believe it is very important that we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate"
    If that is so then why the reversal when she declared in 2020 definitively that she wanted it banned ?

    Border 2020 she wanted to decriminalize border crossing .She pledged to defund ICE She also said her health care plans would cover illegals including so called transition surgery.

    Now she claims to be tough on the border ."We have laws that have to be followed and enforced, that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally. And there should be consequences." She also say that she was tough on border issues as a California prosecutor.
    So what is the truth ?

    EVs
    As a Senator she supported mandated conversion to EVs by 2035 . Now she does not support mandates

    to be continued
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    Sep 10, 2024, 12:56 PM
    When she talks about building 3 million units of affordable housing,


    Yes, that's a great idea. If you figure 200K per unit, then it would be a mere 600 billion dollars that we can just add to our ever growing national debt.
    Her site says
    And she will cut red tape to make sure we build more housing faster and penalize firms that hoard available homes to drive up prices for local homebuyers. Vice President Harris knows rent is too high and will sign legislation to outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords.
    You get that ? She will cut red tape by creating more red tape .
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    Sep 10, 2024, 04:30 PM
    Even better Kam copied the Clueless Joe's campaign position page ....some of it word for word .

    On Sunday night, X user Corinne Green pointed out that the issues section of Harris’s website contained metadata with language urging voters to reelect Joe Biden. This language was visible when links to the campaign site were shared, and in the website’s description on Google searches.

    Embarrassing Copy-Paste Plagues Harris’s Launch of Policy Platform | The New Republic

    She plagiarized from Joe the plagiarizer


    Question ;does she have the permission to throw Joe under the bus because her only out is a break from Joe's failed Presidency ????
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    Sep 10, 2024, 05:38 PM
    If Trump will play it even mostly smart he will win without much trouble. That’s assuming of course that the voting is mostly honest.
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    Sep 11, 2024, 03:57 PM
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    If Trump will play it even mostly smart he will win without much trouble. That’s assuming of course that the voting is mostly honest.
    As evidenced during last night's debate, tRump has absolutely no clue about how to "play it even mostly smart". Wasn't he coached before the debate??? I hope he watches a video of that debate and hears how ridiculous his comments were (immigrants eating dogs and cats???) and see that he looked like a three-year-old bully who had been caught in the act by his mom.
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    Sep 11, 2024, 06:05 PM
    I wish I could disagree with you, but the few minutes I could bear watching it were pretty bad. Now perhaps Harris can take all of this new-found competence and actually do some meaningful interviews like Trump does many, many times every month. What do you suppose the chances are for that happening? Yep, I'd say about zero, too.
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    Sep 12, 2024, 02:44 AM
    The debate did not move the needle. Independents watching it gave Trump high marks for the economy/inflation (which Kam punted on) ,the border,energy ,and foreign policy . Kam has 2 problems . She is wed to the Clueless Joe record the last 3 1/2 years She is also wed to her past positions that are diametrically opposed to the ones she put in her policy page of her campaign web site.

    Hint to Kam ;nobody buys into democracy at threat or project 2025
    You know she's in trouble when she brought Clueless Joe on the campaign trail last week .


    Some undecided voters not convinced by Harris after debate with Trump | Reuters

    How Undecided Voters Reacted to the Harris-Trump Debate - The New York Times (nytimes.com)


    Taylor Swift's endorsement won't carry her over the edge.
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    Sep 12, 2024, 02:53 AM
    Trump said

    “Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window. She’s going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was going to send her a MAGA hat”

    Even Clueless Joe has gone MAGA

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    Sep 12, 2024, 03:13 AM
    Wasn't he coached before the debate??? I hope he watches a video of that debate and hears how ridiculous his comments were (immigrants eating dogs and cats???)
    The real issue in Springfield is the influx of illegal immigrants that have invaded the town. Springfield is a town of 60,000 people, according to the 2020 Census, and since then an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 illegals have settled there. It has strained healthcare services and schoolsThe number of car accidents has skyrocketed.Violent crime went up . It now has a crime rate 310 % higher than average in Ohio
    Most Dangerous Cities in Ohio - Top 10 Risky Areas to Avoid in 2024 - Freedom For All Americans
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    Sep 12, 2024, 06:08 AM
    That would have been a good point for Trump to have made, but as is his custom, he passed on a sensible comment in order to point out that illegals are eating pets.
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    Sep 12, 2024, 11:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    do some meaningful interviews like Trump does many, many times every month.
    What??? Surely you jest! Meaningful interviews??? As for the debate, tRump lied 33 times vs. Harris's one lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The real issue in Springfield is the influx of illegal immigrants that have invaded the town. Springfield is a town of 60,000 people, according to the 2020 Census, and since then an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 illegals have settled there. It has strained healthcare services and schoolsThe number of car accidents has skyrocketed.Violent crime went up . It now has a crime rate 310 % higher than average in Ohio.
    What??? The residents are shooting and killing the immigrants?

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