[tomder55]

The major threats inside America are our own greed and gun violence and white supremacists and, in general, a major lack of empathy.

Tell that to the family of Corporal Ronil Singh .Tell that to the father of Madison Wells.

or the family of Mollie Tibbetts

Talk about empathy . Where is it for the victims of violent crime by "undocumented " illegals ?

and we used to have Ellis Island for this . Sick immigrants were NOT allowed entry .

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-soars-border/

Now they are given hospital care ;and if something goes wrong and they die ,it's our fault.

[Wondergirl]

C'mon over, JL. I'll introduce you to my in-law relatives.

[paraclete]

You are too busy looking in the wrong places, comes from being paranoid, that is why you need guns, but they are the most ineffective tool because they are rarely used. You would think an armed nation would deter illegal immigrants but they hold no fear because the place they left has worse outcomes. While supremeists, they are all talk and little action, just a diversion for the real problem which is all the leftist crud

[jlisenbe]

C'mon over, JL. I'll introduce you to my in-law relatives.

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.

[Wondergirl]

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.

It's not a theory. I've lived through it (racism) at every in-law family get-together. And I finally figured out why it exists.

[paraclete]

I live in Mississippi and I literally do not know a single white supremacist, and honestly can't remember knowing one in the past twenty or more years. That doesn't speak well for your theory.

This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists

[Athos]

This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists

You left out the Jews.

Or have you forgotten your comment that America is a Jewish lackey?

[paraclete]

You left out the Jews.

Or have you forgotten your comment that America is a Jewish lackey?

No, the Jews use their influence to protect Israel, they are not what is wrong with your society. I am not anti-Jewish or anti-Israel but they need to go their own way just like the rest of us. America is not the Jewish promised land, that is a different place

[jlisenbe]

It's not a theory. I've lived through it (racism) at every family get-together. And I finally figured out why it exists.

I have no doubt they are out there and are bad for the country. I just don't think they are a major problem.

[talaniman]

I have no doubt they are out there and are bad for the country. I just don't think they are a major problem.

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

[jlisenbe]

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

That would likely be because they have not taken your job nor lowered the wages of the job you work in, but there are millions of Americans for whom that is true, and that's not to mention the multiplied billions of tax dollars they are consuming in a time where we are 21 tril in debt.

Look, I have no huge issues with these people. I'm all for working out some way for many, if not most, of them to remain here legally, but to continue to allow them to pour across the border is ridiculous.

[tomder55]

You would think an armed nation would deter illegal immigrants but they hold no fear because the place they left has worse outcomes

or the millions of Americans who own guns are by a large majority law abiding citizens who do not become vigilantes once they own fire arms .

This is because they live in the far north seeking out the liberals and demonrats with which to stir up. The only supremacists are the demonrats who believe they have a right to rule, all the fellow travellers, the rabid feminists, the LGBQTIP Nazi, the communists, the abortonists

are you off your meds again ?

[tomder55]

I say the same thing about undocumented people from the other Americas. I just don't think they are the major problem some Euro immigrants children say they are.

Claims that immigration enforcement equals racism ignore the reality that the group most likely to benefit from a tougher approach to immigration enforcement is young black men, who often compete with recent immigrants for jobs.

[talaniman]

That would likely be because they have not taken your job nor lowered the wages of the job you work in, but there are millions of Americans for whom that is true, and that's not to mention the multiplied billions of tax dollars they are consuming in a time where we are 21 tril in debt.

Give me some examples of what you speak, since I doubt the accuracy, seems greatly exaggerated TBH, and mixing in the debt is a sneaky way to blame immigrants for more than they deserve.

Look, I have no huge issues with these people. I'm all for working out some way for many, if not most, of them to remain here legally, but to continue to allow them to pour across the border is ridiculous.

There are many more immigrants who come here with a lawful visa and stay after it expires, than those pouring over the southern border. You don't have to take my word for it, check it for yourself.

Claims that immigration enforcement equals racism ignore the reality that the group most likely to benefit from a tougher approach to immigration enforcement is young black men, who often compete with recent immigrants for low-skilled jobs.

I made no such claim rather pointed out that immigration is but an exaggerated scapegoat talking point. If you ask a young black guy you would get institutional racism as a bigger problem that Mexicans by far...and for far longer.

[Wondergirl]

immigration enforcement

"Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

[jlisenbe]

"Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

Same mantra we've been hearing for decades. Didn't work. Build the wall.

[Wondergirl]

Same mantra we've been hearing for decades. Didn't work. Build the wall.

Wall schmall! A wall can be breached by going over it, under it, and around it. And which side of the Rio Grande will you build it on? Hmmmm, can't build it on the Mexican side, and ooooops, if you build it on the US side, you'll cut off our access to the river, which opens up tons of problems. A wall will keep "them" out -- or keep us in?

[talaniman]

The only reason we are even talking immigration is the dufus and his right wing sycophants have been whipping you into a lather fueled by fear of losing power and domination for the minorities you have oppressed, exploited, and controlled since this nation was born.

[tomder55]

clearly it is an issue that Americans are concerned about . Border security was the primary issue that took Trump to the Presidency . The only REAL reason that Pelosi and Schumer oppose it is because Trump is President . They both supported border barriers in 2006 ;as did the emperor and Evita . Look I get the politics .After the negotiations are done then Trump will have some money for the wall and the Dems will get something in return like DACA . Meanwhile parks are getting trashed because people are worse than animals .

[talaniman]

Meanwhile parks are getting trashed because people are worse than animals .

And the people who clean up after the animals are NOT on the job. I get the politics to, just not the chaos and drama and hostage taking. It's not even a decent debate with this lying cheating dufus over the facts.