[paraclete]

Clete the illegals are trying to turn the US into a sh@thole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iwjitsNyQ

Undoubtedly a problem and here is a possible solution, build a wall of dumpsters with a sign, deposit your unwanted items here. This has posed a question, why do these immigrants carry all this stuff with them only to throw it away? With rubbish at that level the rubbish would itself become a barrier

[talaniman]

Now that the US government is shutdown AGAIN, and everyone is blaming the other guy, will The Dufus stand by his previous statements?

Trump's comments blaming Obama for 2013 government shutdown resurface | TheHill

Of course he won't. He should have seen this coming. Oh Happy one year in office Dufus. Hope you enjoy your GALA in Mar A Lago.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-at-mar-a-lago

I wasn't invited nor was HIS BASE, many of whom couldn't afford it anyway. Will I still get my tax cuts though? Looks like Trump and repubs want America to be a sh1t hole too! First ever shutdown when ONE party had control of the House, Senate, and White House.

I saw this coming.

[tomder55]

let them stay out .1995s shut down was 3 weeks and it wasn't the end of the world ,or the country . In an effort of comity we will no longer call them sh@t hole countries . We will call them Turd World countries .

[talaniman]

Glad to see you haven't lost that NY humor. 8)

[paraclete]

I ave to say that shutdown doesn't sound bad, you can't spend money in a shutdown, perhaps this is a work of genius, and those poor, little, dreamers, do you think Trump cares?

[talaniman]

No he doesn't care about dreamers, and neither does his base. The American people do care, and want them to have a fair shake. They aren't criminals at all, and choose to come out of the shadows, and play by the rules. Paul Ryan, the House leader knows all this, but also knows his caucus will never vote for any DACA fix that allows them to stay, and become citizens. It would embarrass him, and lead to his political downfall to allow a vote that WILL pass for sure in the house, because of DEMOCRATS! That's why Senate dems have refused to support the house bill.

I don't expect Senate repubs OR The Dufus like he promised to deal with DACA and end this shutdown. That would expose Ryan and House repubs , and deny the repubs of any opportunity to blame demss and holler their US against them rhetoric.

Will Moron Mitch trigger the nuclear option, and pass the repub bill with a simple majority, instead of requiring 60 votes? NO DOUBT!

[paraclete]

Surely this 60 votes is an anachronism that needs change, democracy requires only a majority, but people love to play games

[tomder55]

yes it is . The constitution calls for supermajorities in only a couple cases like over writing vetoes and impeachment . The filibuster rule has already been violated by the Dems when they ended it to get some of the emperor's nominees seated . The whole reconciliation process violated the rule . So time to end it if it means a government shut down will result if it is not waived .

yes it is . The constitution calls for supermajorities in only a couple cases like over writing vetoes and impeachment . The filibuster rule has already been violated by the Dems when they ended it to get some of the emperor's nominees seated . The whole reconciliation process violated the rule . So time to end it to get a budget in place.

[talaniman]

So why didn't Moron Mitch simply bring the BI PARTISAN Durbin/Graham bill to the floor for a vote? It was poised to pass the senate with 70 votes, and the house just as easily. Result NO SHUTDOWN.

Maybe it's the Hastert Rule we should get rid of.

[tomder55]

yes along with the idiotic Byrd rule .The trouble with these rules is that the parties want this nonsense in place when it's their time to be in the minority (filibuster ) or the majority (Hastert ) However ;in this case the bill was passed by the House by a significant majority . It was held up by Senate Dems using the filibuster rule to try to force legislation down our throats without any give back by them. Madame Mim was talking about a 'clean' DACA bill at the presser at the White House. She knows that is never going to happen any more than a single legislation to build a wall. The emperor could not get the Democratic majority Congress in 2009-12 to pass get DACA passed . That is why he did it EO in the first place . Now the Dems have shut down the government over the issue . Good luck with that later this year . They care more for the children of illegals than American children killed by illegals . They are holding up pay to our soldiers over the issue .

[tomder55]

I don't expect Senate repubs OR The Dufus like he promised to deal with DACA and end this shutdown.

Last week they would've had their deal ....except little D@ck Durbin poisoned the well with his unsubstantiated disclosure of Trump's words at a private meeting . A political animal he certainly is... and he knew the Dems would gain more from public exposure of Trump's foul mouth than from any DACA compromise . You see ;the Dems have to plan for a run this year while the economy is red hot ;ISIS (which was beheading journalists and selling Azidi girls into slavery )destroyed as a viable alternative model for governing in the ME ;their dreams of a caliphate destroyed within one year of Trump taking office. The Dems have to get minorities to vote for them even though unemployment rates have dropped;including a black unemployment rate of 6.8% ,a historic low that eluded the emperor . The Dems will not win on issues except for one ....the likability of herr Donald .

[talaniman]

They voted to open the government just now. Restart the clock! The battle shifts back to the HOUSE and Punk Paul. This is still The Dufus regime. Is he a Joker, or a Joke.

[tomder55]

the Repubics always said they're ready to negotiate on DACA, just not tying it to the budget.

[tomder55]

it's very easy . The Dems want DACA . Trump and the Repubics want to end chain migration ;the visa lottery ,and to build a wall. Tie all them together and call it comprehensive immigration reform. But the Dems won't go there . They have stupid leaders like Durbin who said that we shouldn't use the term 'chain migration' because it reminds Blacks that their ancestors came to America in chains . What an idiot !

[talaniman]

There's a few more things besides DACA that can go in that deal. Does ending chain migration mean all those pregnant Russian women staying in Trump condos can't have anchor babies?

[tomder55]

yes or their 4th cousin twice removed .

[paraclete]

Oh what a tangled web you have

[tomder55]

yes it is a tangled web . End chain migration and make immigration merit based .

[paraclete]

yes it is a tangled web . End chain migration and make immigration merit based .

By all means, it might reduce the flow once they know they can't bring their relatives

[talaniman]

I suppose it's just human nature to run somewhere stake a claim of sovereignty, and then close the door behind you, and try to forget where you came from and why. The disgusting part is to denigrate those who are just doing what you did, which in most cases is based on race, nationality, and a few other things that smack of clear discrimination, that only justifies the uncivil treatment of a fellow human and the policies and laws to deal with them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ased/98594790/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ries/98603200/

I can understand the FEAR some Euro citizens who were immigrants before they were citizens feel today, having gone through the same uncivil treatments when they got here from those that migrated before them, but to keep perpetrating that uncivil treatment today, is an unhealthy cycle that must be stopped. Thanks to The Dufus, being uncivil, nasty and crass is ACCEPTABLE, and that's a sad commentary that bodes a direction through governance of uncivil policy and plans that denigrate us all. While the struggle for civility is nothing new, and it will continue, it illustrates we have a long way to go before we can truly call ourselves civilized.

That's why you can follow The Dufus and his uncivil ways all you want, most good humans will RESIST that temptation and that RESISTANCE is what will make America great AGAIN!

Election 2018 will be here before you know it.