[talaniman]

Legal stuff aside, GMO's like anything man invents needs time to get the "bugs" worked out.

[paraclete]

These things should be tested exhaustively to ensure there are no bugs before being released and they should be independently certified not approved on data supplied by the company I hear roundup is being withdrawn after years of use and it is produced by the same company who gave us GMO and genetically engineered crops to tolerate it
http://www.panna.org/blog/roundup-cancer-future-food

[Precious7]

Interesting!

Why don't they use this magic wand (by modifying or manipulating method) to make food products which are rich in those substance which helps a human body to prevent, cure, protect form deadly or common diseases. People will at least have some benefits by it, as we know health care is becoming more expensive. Instead of taking an injection I would love to eat a cucumber or mango which may give me some relief. Just a thought! Sigh!

[tomder55]

Think on this for a while, the rise of obesity in the developed world has occurred in parallel with the introduction of GMO crops.

and there is no other reason you can think of that would cause the increase in obesity ?

[paraclete]

and there is no other reason you can think of that would cause the increase in obesity ?

Well Tom I can think of many reasons but GMO foods are ingredients in all of them, and then there are the human traints, averice, greed, gluttony, sloth

[tomder55]

Which court are you talking about ?


The appeals court decision was based on Monsanto’s supposed promise not to sue farmers whose crops - including corn, soybeans, cotton, canola and others - contained traces of the company’s biotechnology products. In a June 2013 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, DC said it was inevitable, as the farmers’ argued, that contamination from Monsanto’s products would occur. Yet the appeals panel also said the plaintiffs do not have standing to prohibit Monsanto from suing them should the company’s genetic traits end up on their holdings "because Monsanto has made binding assurances that it will not 'take legal action against growers whose crops might inadvertently contain traces of Monsanto biotech genes (because, for example, some transgenic seed or pollen blew onto the grower's land).'"


​Supreme Court hands Monsanto victory over farmers on GMO seed patents, ability to sue — RT USA

Monsanto has the technology to insert a gene that renders second generation plants sterile ,and people complain about that too. Monsanto has made it clear that they don't sue for incidental introduction of their seed on another field.

If anyone has a beef ,it is in the nature of patent law ;not Monsanto asserting it's right under patent law.
The organic farmers in the case above claimed that GMOs might contaminate their crops and then Monsanto might accuse them of patent infringement. The farmers couldn't cite a single instance in which this had happened.

In a Canadian case Percy Schmeiser, was sued for growing Roundup-tolerant canola without paying any royalty . Schmeiser had never bought seeds from Monsanto. But that doesn't mean he did not know they were Monsanto seed. 95% of his crop was shown to contain Monsanto seed. What he did was deliberate sprayed his field with Roundup ;and later harvested seeds from the plants that survived .Then he used those harvested seeds in the next season's planting So he had intentionally used Monsanto product . Yes Monsanto has sued when it thought farmers have used their technology without paying for it . They don't sue for incidental contamination.

[tomder55]

Well Tom I can think of many reasons but GMO foods are ingredients in all of them, and then there are the human traints, averice, greed, gluttony, sloth

the last 2 are your prime culprits ,especially the consumption of high carbohydrate and fructose products . Any GMO is in the growing process and has no impact on the level of obesity . Had the same person eaten organically grown carbs and sugars at that level ;and lived a similar sedentary life-style ,they would weigh the same.

Yes I agree helping plants with selection of those with desirable characteristics is one thing, manipulating DNA another

it's a distinction without a difference . The only thing gained by modern techniques is time. Instead of decades and centuries ,scientists are achieving results in years .

Yes I agree helping plants with selection of those with desirable characteristics is one thing, manipulating DNA another

it's a distinction without a difference . The only thing gained by modern techniques is time. Instead of decades and centuries ,scientists are achieving results in years .

[tomder55]

Interesting!

Why don't they use this magic wand (by modifying or manipulating method) to make food products which are rich in those substance which helps a human body to prevent, cure, protect form deadly or common diseases. People will at least have some benefits by it, as we know health care is becoming more expensive. Instead of taking an injection I would love to eat a cucumber or mango which may give me some relief. Just a thought! Sigh!

And of course they are . Golden Rice was specifically engineered to be used in countries that consume rice as a staple ,and where cases of vitamin A deficiency leads to blindness in a large segment of the population ;and kills 670,000 children under the age of 5 each year. It is engineered to have high levels of beta carotene , a precursor of vitamin A . Unfortunately it has met with opposition from so called environmentalists ,and anti-globalization nut jobs.

The Golden Rice Project

There are many other examples .....potatoes engineered to eliminate the formation of acrylamide, a naturally occurring chemical that is a potential carcinogen created when potatoes are cooked at high temperatures.
Pioneer is developing a product called Plenish ;a soy bean oil that is being designed to replace partially hydrogenated oils from our diet. Monsanto has a soy bean high in Omega 3 s . And of course making seeds resistant to pests that destroy crops means higher yields without having to spray massive amts of insecticides on crops . That makes for healthier produce. This technology is still in it's infancy and it has yet to even scratch it's potential . There are actually very few products on the market that are GMO . Corn, soybeans, cotton oil ,canola oil, squash, and papaya, sugar beets and alfalfa for animal feed .GMO versions of tomatoes, potatoes, and rice have been created and approved by government regulators, but they aren't commercially available. So all this talk of tasteless super sized strawberries is nonsense. The strawberries you find in the store were engineered for that trait ;but not through GMO.

[Catsmine]

The strawberries you find in the store were engineered for that trait ;but not through GMO.

it's a distinction without a difference .

Make up your mind

[tomder55]

Make up your mind

I am being consistent .If GM had been used ,it would've taken a shorter time to achieve the same results ....large strawberries .Commercially grown strawberries are bred through traditional hybridization and selection. The strawberries in question were selected specifically for size and yield over flavor (although they claim they have not sacrificed flavor) .


FAQs | California Giant Berry Farms

[paraclete]

Expedience, a likely excuse for placing us at risk for commercial profit. Just because something can be done, that doesn't mean it should be done. I still question what purpose is served by brown tomatoes. The colour of food is produced in nature for a reason. What purpose is served by having potatoes of uniform size or any other produce for that matter. Commercial profit? I'm fed up with not being able to buy tomatoes of a size or stage of ripeness suited to my purposes

[Wondergirl]

I am being consistent .If GM had been used ,it would've taken a shorter time to achieve the same results ....large strawberries .Commercially grown strawberries are bred through traditional hybridization and selection. The strawberries in question were selected specifically for size and yield over flavor (although they claim they have not sacrificed flavor) .


FAQs | California Giant Berry Farms

Are those the huge ones with the large white core, tasteless, and that are hard as a rock? Pa-tooey! I made the mistake of buying some. Future generations will not know what a real strawberry looks and tastes like.

[tomder55]

Are those the huge ones with the large white core, tasteless, and that are hard as a rock? Pa-tooey! I made the mistake of buying some. Future generations will not know what a real strawberry looks and tastes like.

or they can buy organically grown local and pay a premium price for them...great if you can afford it .

Expedience, a likely excuse for placing us at risk for commercial profit. Just because something can be done, that doesn't mean it should be done. I still question what purpose is served by brown tomatoes. The colour of food is produced in nature for a reason. What purpose is served by having potatoes of uniform size or any other produce for that matter. Commercial profit? I'm fed up with not being able to buy tomatoes of a size or stage of ripeness suited to my purposes

Kumato is a hybrid ;not GMO . If it is a matter of preference the market will decide if they have value. Otherwise there is nothing nutritionally wrong with them.

[paraclete]

How do you know there is nothing wrong with them? Show me the years of research. Gimmicks aren't food Tom, now if they could engineer the gas out of cucumber that might be useful

[tomder55]

on hybrids ? Come on ! All they do in hybrid is cross pollination. This product was created and is grown almost exclusively in the EU . It is not the product of some hidden Frankenstein lab. Your paranoia is unbelievable . You show me anything from even the most tin foil hat sites that have an issue with this product . You do realize that the red color of ripened tomatoes are the product of years of hybrid experimentation . In it's natural form ,the tomato was poisonous .

[NeedKarma]

In it's natural form ,the tomato was poisonous .

You have to stop saying that, it's another myth.
Why the Tomato Was Feared in Europe for More Than 200 Years

History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

[tomder55]

I'm not wrong about this .This article makes it sound like tomatoes were discovered by Europeans. In fact the early tomato was harvested by the Aztec centuries before the European arrived . Wild tomatoes had naturally occuring toxins ;as do all foods of the nightshade family . When these plants were domesticated ,these traits were greatly reduced .

[paraclete]

Yes like its cousin the chili

[NeedKarma]

Same with mushrooms. It has nothing to do with GMO. Some species are safe while others are not, we don't have GMO to thank for that.

[paraclete]

Tom doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good argument, he just perpetuates the north American myths current at the time of his founding heroes