[talaniman]

Perhaps the way around this is to stop protecting such people let them taste the violence they provote first hand.

I disagree very strongly as true freedom depends on equal protection under the law for EVERYBODY!

The point is some things are sacred and we have lost the respect for the sacred

In America we all seem to agree that the right to free speech is sacred, and at the top of the list, even if some things PISS you off and there is a difference of opinion. Practicing one's religion (within the boundaries of LAW) is also SACRED.

If those two nutcases in Garland had of protested loudly actions they disagreed with instead of shooting people, then no problem!

[paraclete]

That's the problem with extremeists they don't protest peacefully because they want a real result not a talk fest.
Security measures increased at US military bases - BBC News
At least one group in the US takes the threat crediably. The US military expects that ISIS militants will attack bases in the US. Thus far ISIS have not demonstrated that capability but it would be a distraction from their losses in Iraq

[paraclete]

Power struggle in Macedonia - BBC News

The attack by albanians on Macedonia is the balkan conflict raising again, and as we know that conflict essentially came down to a conflict between Muslims and others, principally serbs, but the ancient country of Macedonia is not far from these tensions

[tomder55]

This sums up my feelings... and from the big guy himself.
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yup !!

[tomder55]

Clete .Don't you see the hypocrisy ? When it was Charlie Hebdo the world stood in unison to defend freedom of speech . When it was Salmon Rushdie the lefties united behind him. But when it's Pam Geller ,well all she's doing is trying to provoke them. She doesn't deserve the same protections.

There is a very popular play on Broadway now that mocks Mormons . You don't see them rising up and making death threats . Suppose it was' Koran the Musical 'instead of 'Book of Mormon' ? Should one be permitted and not the other because one side is prone to violent reaction ? Christians here saw publicly funded "art " that consisted of a crucifix submerged in urine ;and Mary mother of Jesus smeared with elephant dung. I objected to the public funding ;but against the right of the artist to display their 'sculptures' . I think the Islamic State needs to be defeated for their persecutions there . We should certainly not let them dictate what is appropriate in a free society .

[tomder55]

Here is the winning cartoon :

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Here is the winning cartoon :

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What is the point of posting something that is no longer available, has censorship taken over at AMHD fearing muslim rhetribution? Or have they been removed elsewhere on the net?

There are more against this sort of behaviour than for it, What happened to your sense of democracy? Tom, these are changed times and what a liberal secular society in the US considers acceptable is not acceptable to much of the world. That has been demonstrated a number of times with tragic consequences. No one should be killed because they express a particular point of view but when you deliberately provoke you are inviting violence.

How do you like the allegation that seal team 6 deliberately targeted and killed a cripple? what a wonderful piece of free speech denigrating your armed services

[tomder55]

Tom, these are changed times and what a liberal secular society in the US considers acceptable is not acceptable to much of the world.

screw the rest of the world. What the rest of the world should see is what a world dominated by tyranny looks like . They whine about a cartoon depiction of Mohammed while they behead those who won't convert to their religion ;stone women to death ;throw homosexuals from buildings . Let the rest of the world cower to their dictates if they chose to do so. Here in America ,we defend free speech and are not afraid to exercise our right to it.

[tomder55]

How do you like the allegation that seal team 6 deliberately targeted and killed a cripple? what a wonderful piece of free speech denigrating your armed services

Seymour Hersh has been known for sloppy journalism. Normally he goes after Republicans . He pushes a conspiracy theory that would need thousands of willing participants to pull it off.
As an example . The USS Carl Vinson is a Nimitz class Carrier. That means that there were a minimum of 6,000 personnel on board to witness the burial of OBL . Yet Kirsh says that OBL was jettisoned from the jet into the Hindu Kush mountains. Possible ? Yes ,but I have never heard any sailor from the Vinson say the burial at sea never took place. So some of what he reports is plausible ;and some of it isn't . I personally always thought the Obots embellished the story anyway. It made for a neat campaign slogan ....(the emperor killed OBL ;AQ is on the run ,he ended the war ....etc etc ) . Free speech is one of the closest things to an absolute right.

let me try it again .....

[paraclete]

Yes Tom you easily dismiss the allegations but you have to admit a massive conspiracy involving Pakistan, who had nothing to gain by concealing Bin Laden, and your own administration. We know these things happen, but scattering body parts? A story designed to make Muslims more angry than the depiction of the prophet, nice portrait, by the way, definitely captures the prophet of peace well. A burial at sea, who knows what the corpse looks like? If they lie about one detail they can lie about others.The fact that there might be 6,000 personnel on a carrier doesn't mean any of them actually saw the corpse. Did they hold public viewings? You see Tom things done in secret give rise to fiction and political manipulation. I like the way you dismiss 95% of the world's population so glibly, as if we are something you scrapped off the sole of your boot. This is what so endears us to the US, your sense of superiority and self righteousness and yet you still haven't dealt with the inequalities in your own society. You really aren't a shinning example that perhaps you once were. The american way or the highway is not a good look.

[tomder55]

Let them intimidate Australians into submission if you want to lick their jack boots . 'Don't tread on me. '

[tomder55]

Ed Miliband, the head of the British Labor Party, wishes to criminalize “Islamophobia” . There is no problem that a little censorship can't cure . Those who attack the cartoon contest graphically illustrate Pam Geller's case about Islam.

[paraclete]

Let them intimidate Australians into submission if you want to lick their jack boots . 'Don't tread on me. '

If you have kept up lately Tom you will known two terrorist plots have been twarted recently and a number of passports of would be daesh fighters cancelled so Australians are not intimidared but alert and not fooled by islamist propaganda

Ed Miliband, the head of the British Labor Party, wishes to criminalize “Islamophobia” . There is no problem that a little censorship can't cure . Those who attack the cartoon contest graphically illustrate Pam Geller's case about Islam.

Given the problem the UK may face he should be criminalising islamisation and by the way Milibrand resigned after electoral defeat so labor won't enjoy an islam led resurgance and such attitudes may have led to his defeat. We all have little doubt that islamists are the rabid tip of the problem Tom but deliberately stirring them up only adds to be problem and as I have said is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theatre

[Wondergirl]

stirring them up only adds to be problem

Therefore, no stirring up or we're toast?

[paraclete]

I didn't infer that, just that public safety is important too/ Would you knowingly do something that will get someoneelse killed? This is the question that is being ignored here. You don't have a right to put someoneelse in harms way, in some jurisdictions that is called manslaughter

[talaniman]

Like the rhetoric you are spewing?

We all have little doubt that islamists are the rabid tip of the problem

At least Geller gets PAID for her crap!

[paraclete]

Tal to you everything that disagrees with you is crap, why do you defend a provocatuer like Geller? This person brought violence to your community with no apology.

Perhaps the state of your nation is so bad that liberty needs that periodic refreshing. Your police molest your citizens with impunity, Your poor are legion. You even suggest you have near full employment with 50% below the poverty line

[paraclete]

The second in command of daesh has been killed leaving the organisation bereft of senior leadership for the moment

Islamic State deputy leader 'killed in Iraq air strike' - BBC News

This might explain why their success has been blunted lately with two senior figures now off the front line. This may be the time for the Iraqi to seize the initiative

[paraclete]

Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi implores Muslims to 'go to war everywhere' in new audio recording

El Baghdadi has said islam will never be a religion of peace. He is sort of echoing the thoughts that the rest of us are having

[Wondergirl]

Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi implores Muslims to ‘go to war everywhere’ in new audio recording

El Baghdadi has said islam will never be a religion of peace. He is sort of echoing the thoughts that the rest of us are having

And he speaks for Muslims all over the world? I don't think so!