[talaniman]

Gotcha, Phil can insult gays, and blacks, but blacks, and gays can't even express their disagreement to what he said. That hypocrisy.

[tomder55]

Except that he was not insulting Blacks .He was making a statement about how the welfare state has been destructive to black families. He did not condone Jim Crow laws and I defy you to find a quote where he does. He was speaking from his observations while he worked in the cotton fields side by side with Black workers.

[speechlesstx]

 

but blacks, and gays can't even express their disagreement to what he said

Still running with that straw man I see. I just got through saying you have the total right to look like an idiot misquoting the Bible.

[excon]

Except that he was not insulting Blacks .

Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

He made an observation from his life growing up there, he didn't advocate racism. I've made similar observations growing up in a minority neighborhood, I didn't know there was a racism problem. We just got up and went to school each day and acted like nothing was wrong because as far as we knew life was normal. I guess I'm a bigot for not looking at my third grade friends obvious plight and marching on the principals office.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

A 3rd grader is to be excused... But, as he grows older, at SOME point in his life, he's going to have LOOK around, and actually SEE what's going on. This yahoo never did.

I get that he GREW up with it, and that it looks DIFFERENT from his perspective... Nonetheless, CHRISTIAN teachings ALONE (of which I know LITTLE), SHOULD have clued him in. He doesn't get a pass from me.

excon

[talaniman]

Phil went to the same fields with blacks to pick cotton, but they worked for the farmer. But NOOOO,Phil didn't work for the famer. Bill Russell grew up in the same region and he tells a very different story of life for blacks there, in his autobiography.

I take Bill over Phil on this one, but if Phil is your hero, so be it.

[speechlesstx]

The facts are not in evidence that Phil never noticed a racism problem that I'm aware of. Amazing how you guys, the same ones that protest so loudly over the mention of Obama's pastor mentor or Bill Ayers can assign a lifetime of obvious bigotry based on one observation, in which he also says we'd all be better off if we just loved each other. That's some damn fine investigative work there boys. Almost as good as MSNBC's Bible scholarship.

[excon]

The facts are not in evidence that Phil never noticed a racism problem that I'm aware of.

Hello again, Steve:

It's because you choose NOT be aware.

To ME, saying that he NEVER heard a black person complain, is NOT noticing racism!!!

Happy New Year.

excon

[speechlesstx]

okie dokie, you just keep on interpreting it your way because we all know you libs are much better at hearing things the rest of us can't.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

so I'm right .... there is nothing in his statement condoning Jim Crow laws.

[speechlesstx]

No there wasn't, but the comments here are pretty clear it's ok to condone bigotry toward "white trash" like Phil.

[talaniman]

His observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow was NOT accurate. Your failure to see and understand that is what's telling.

[Catsmine]

His observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow

Thus we have the prime bone of contention. Tal thinks he was talking about ALL blacks. Tom thinks he was talking about JUST the blacks he worked with. As usual, somewhere in the middle is probably the most accurate. Tal, I don't think Mr. Robertson ever made it to Birmingham. Tom, he MAY have generalized about poor blacks with a strong family. Whichever the case, He and A&E have both made another boatload of money over this. One has to wonder if it was planned this way.

[excon]

No there wasn't, but the comments here are pretty clear it's ok to condone bigotry toward "white trash" like Phil.

Hello again, Steve:

Well, there ya go. You can't tell the difference between bigotry and criticism.

excon

[tomder55]

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field . . . They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say “’I tell you what: Those doggone white people’ – not a word!

Nope he wasn't speaking about Jim Crow laws ,or about all blacks in the south .He never said that ALL black people were “happy” in the pre-civil rights era. He was only referring to the “godly,” hard working, black families of his youth in a small part of Louisiana.

[talaniman]

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field … They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' — not a word! … Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

Phil's perception and empathy were skewed and limited.

@Catsmine- Controversy all the way to the bank, as we ignore the FACT DD's next season is already filmed and scheduled. Suspending him was a sham. Free publicity.

[excon]

Hello again, wrong wingers:

I dunno about you guys. You seem to think that people who are surrounded by wrong since birth are simply UNABLE to see it because they're so immersed in it. Apparently, being THAT stupid is just FINE with you too, because you give them a pass..

How dumb do YOU have to be to BELIEVE that dreck?? Do you think the children born in Auschwitz thought their life was normal??? Yes, Phil lived in the woods. But, he went to town now and then.. He SAW the two sets of drinking fountains. He KNEW why they were there. He KNEW what racism was. He KNEW it was wrong. He's just LYING about it.

Look. I'm a nice Jewish boy. When I was about 7, my friend, Jim Ryall invited me to his dads club to go swimming. When I showed up, his father said I couldn't go. The club was "restricted". That meant NO JEWS!

At 7 years old, I inherently KNEW it was wrong. Jim KNEW it was wrong. Jim's dad KNEW it was wrong. And, if Phil woulda been there, as STUPID as he is, he would have KNOWN it was wrong. And, guess what wingers??? Even you woulda KNOWN it was wrong.

Over to you.

excon

[Catsmine]

... He KNEW ... He KNEW ... He KNEW ...

He KNEW those folks picking cotton beside him had a Mama and a Daddy living UNDER THE SAME ROOF, eating meals TOGETHER, loving them; unlike the last three generations of Lefty Welfare Slaves. Your Statist heroes like Kennedy and Johnson and Carter (and the Bushes) made it impossible for them to get out of those cotton fields like Robertson managed to do.

[speechlesstx]

Talaniman Posts: 46,131, Reputation: 115235Senior Family & People Expert #33 Report  Today, 01:08 PMHis observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow was NOT accurate. Your failure to see and understand that is what's telling.

No, what's telling is that as catsmine said you think his personal observation of working with some as "white trash" growing up means he believes all Blacks were happy and treated well. It's also telling that he's the one that says love everyone anyway and calls for forgiveness, while admitting to his own failures and need for forgiveness, and you guys are the ones refusing to grant any love, tolerance and forgiveness. I believe that makes him ten times the man as his critics. Phil and I aren't perfect and omniscient like you libs obviously think you are.