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paraclete · Oct 14, 2013, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Conservatives are trying to get the fiscal house in order . It 's the libs that want to increase spending and build up the debt . The latest from the emperor is that he won't agree to a deal that leaves the sequester intact

Fables, your politicians don't want less pork, they just want different pork. Obama no doubt realises the damage caused by cuts to certain programs but the whole thing is a question of scale, such as your military and these ridiculous QE programs. The day of reckoning is at hand and it means that you need higher taxes to get your debt in order. The reason there is squeeling about Obamacare is that it is in effect a tax. The sequester is the result of a do nothing Congress the last time these issues were faced and if he is calling for a complete overhaul then that is responsible but it cannot be done in crisis. I would agree you probably need a bigger sequester or sunset of a number of programs. I hear that the proposal is to put some sort of short term fix in place. Been there, Done that! Don't you have any new ideas or is it because the place is run by tired old men

cdad · Oct 14, 2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:
If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin to become the next worlds currency.

excon

Bitcoin has already had its troubles and people have been arrested for it. Its just another way to move around pretend money.

paraclete · Oct 14, 2013, 05:57 PM

The answer, now to find the question

It seems the source of the problems in Washington have been found. I think it is called the Peter Principle. Basicly; people rise in the system until they reach their level of incompetence. With so many dumb people to choose from it isn't surprising that those at the top struggle

Opinion: America's problem -- we're too dumb - CNN.com

Please don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the article

cdad · Oct 14, 2013, 06:06 PM

I agree with that article. This nation as a whole has been dumbed down. Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?

paraclete · Oct 14, 2013, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

I agree with that article. This nation as a whole has been dumbed down. Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?

Dad, I couldn't guess. Bush at least recognised the problem, but it takes generations to overcome a problem of poor educational outcomes

cdad · Oct 14, 2013, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Dad, I couldn't guess. Bush at least recognised the problem, but it takes generations to overcome a problem of poor educational outcomes

You could turn it around faster by stopping all the PC crap and focusing on education and skills based schooling methods. Right now in the education system they keep shooting for the lowest denominator instead of the highest one. Also many schools have cut out programs that can teach children vocational skills including mechanics, woodworking and metalworking. They are even pushing to remove anything that is competitive or sports related. Its really sad.

paraclete · Oct 14, 2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

You could turn it around faster by stopping all the PC crap and focusing on education and skills based schooling methods. Right now in the education system they keep shooting for the lowest denominator instead of the highest one. Also many schools have cut out programs that can teach children vocational skills including mechanics, woodworking and metalworking. They are even pushing to remove anything that is competitive or sports related. Its really sad.

Odd. In our system debate has shifted to the final examinations being too difficult and too broad and basicly irrelevant to anything but university entrance. There are links here between High Schools and vocational training at Technical Colleges so that students can earn course credit while completing High School. I'm not sure it is a good thing as it is seen as a path to drop out of High School without addressing the issues of why the student is struggling. We don't allow the kids to drop out anymore. You have to be in school until you are eighteen. We have just had a huge new program directed at school funding

cdad · Oct 14, 2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Odd. In our system debate has shifted to the final examinations being too difficult and too broad and basicly irrelevant to anything but university entrance. There are links here between High Schools and vocational training at Technical Colleges so that students can earn course credit while completing High School. I'm not sure it is a good thing as it is seen as a path to drop out of High School without addressing the issues of why the student is struggling. We don't allow the kids to drop out anymore. You have to be in school until you are eighteen. We have just had a huge new program directed at school funding

Back when I went through the school system we actually had the vocational classes on campus. Woodshop, Metalshop and Mechanics were all done by the school system and not an outside source. In today's world there are programs that can receive college credit but are mainly supported through private / business funding like Cisco offers programs that include networking and real life certificates upon completion. It still was taught on campus too.

talaniman · Oct 14, 2013, 08:34 PM

We know repubs want to drain the public schools of funding and have. The sequester cuts education funding, and conservatives are fighting the common core concept, which raised the bar for education standards. But no we can't raise taxes on corporations that claim taxes are to high, yet pay little or no taxes, and build roads and educate the kid.. 5 percent is to much for the job creators who don't create jobs.

So schools and roads don't get funded. Cities crumble, and rural areas watch the grass grow. That's the conservative idea of a great nation?

paraclete · Oct 14, 2013, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

Back when I went through the school system we actually had the vocational classes on campus. Woodshop, Metalshop and Mechanics were all done by the school system and not an outside source. In today's world there are programs that can receive college credit but are mainly supported through private / business funding like Cisco offers programs that include networking and real life certificates upon completion. It still was taught on campus too.

Yes dad we had them too and still do but we had other important programs that have been sidelined, like military cadets. It's not a case of an outside source providing the programs but the programs being linked to real tertiary outcomes at a manual skills level. We are probably on the same page but we have a different attitude to things like education and health care, we consider them essential, just as infurstructure is essential. We long ago learned that the private sector isn't going to do what isn't profitable and even when they do public works for a profit motive the profits aren't there in the long term

excon · Oct 15, 2013, 02:50 AM

Hello again, dad:

Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?

You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

paraclete · Oct 15, 2013, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

Candidly, it doesn't matter to the politicians since they think they made the world and they rule it, I would like them all to evolve into what they look like

speechlesstx · Oct 15, 2013, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

Not sure how this became a debate on evolution and creation but you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.

paraclete · Oct 15, 2013, 05:24 AM

It's just ex shifting the goal posts so he can kick an own goal

has anyone noticed this spellchecker that is obcessed with capitalising the first letter in the posts AHHBVGGH! correct that! PC gone mad!

speechlesstx · Oct 15, 2013, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

It's just ex shifting the goal posts so he can kick an own goal

has anyone noticed this spellchecker that is obcessed with capitalising the first letter in the posts AHHBVGGH! correct that! PC gone mad!

Could it be the device you're using?

apparently not.

excon · Oct 15, 2013, 05:54 AM

Hello again,

Let's review, shall we? Yesterday, (yes, it was ONLY yesterday) clete, and cdad were discussing EDUCATION, the dumbing down of America, and WHO is responsible for it...

I was just responding.. Isn't that what we DO here?

Excon

speechlesstx · Oct 15, 2013, 06:09 AM

And I responded, you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.

excon · Oct 15, 2013, 06:34 AM

Hello again, Steve, flat earther:

And, I'm responding that science ISN'T a point of view. Of course, you who DENY science WOULD say that, wouldn't you?

Excon

speechlesstx · Oct 15, 2013, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve, flat earther:

And, I'm responding that science ISN'T a point of view. Of course, you who DENY science WOULD say that, wouldn't you?

Excon

Come on, when did scientific community that continually gives us incorrect computer models on AGW and changes its mind on whether coffee is good or bad for you every other year become the final authority? Yeah, I deny that science is perfect. Science would deny that science is perfect. Only liberals claim it's omniscient. My doctor told me to take fish oil because it's good for me, then a couple of months ago science told me it would increase my risk of cancer significantly. What should I do, hmmm?

excon · Oct 15, 2013, 06:49 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Only liberals claim it's omniscient.

Only right wingers claim the earth was made 6,000 years ago, and we should let the children decide...

And, that's going to HELP 'em score higher on college science exams. That's going to help 'em build rocket ships... DUDE!

So, BACK to cdad's post. It's clearly YOUR side who's DUMBING down this great country of ours.

Excon