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 Originally Posted by excon
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That word viability ;a subjective term if there ever was one.. is the basis for more restrictive abortion laws . You think not ? It is the advances in medical science that allow viability at a much younger age of development ,putting that lie to rest that an unborn baby is just an appendage of the mother .
All the legality did was replace the coat hanger with the scalpel ,surgical scissor ,vacuum .Here are 2 popular procedures for carrying out 2nd trimester murders : D&E" (dilation and evacuation). The physician inserts a long toothed clamp through the woman's vagina into the uterus. She/he grabs body parts of the fetus at random, breaks them from the body and pulls them out. Finally, the head is crushed and extracted. Finally, the placenta and any remaining parts of the fetus are suctioned from the uterus. "D&X" (dilation and extraction) The woman's cervix is dilated. If necessary, the fetus is rotated until it is facing feet downwards. The surgeon reaches into the uterus and pulls the fetus' body, with the exception of its head, out of the woman's body. Surgical scissors are inserted into the base of the fetal skull, and withdrawn. A suction tube is inserted and the fetus' brains are removed through aspiration. This partially collapses the fetal skull. The fetus is then fully removed from the woman's body. The difference between Gosnell the butcher ,and Gosnell the compassionate caring physician is a matter of a few inches of woman's body that the murdered baby has to travel. |
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Richard Fernandez @ Belmont Club comments on PJ Media's editor Roger Simon's conversion from a " pro-choice " position after seeing a report about the butchery of Gosnell .
Roger L. Simon » GosnellGate: It's the A-Word
To understand 3801 Lancaster street maybe we should go back to Moloch rather than to the system of industrial execution that flourished 70 years ago. Child sacrifice — “the ritualistic killing of children in order to please, propitiate or force a god or supernatural beings” was long practiced by the Incas, Aztec, many cultures in the Middle East, North Africa and in pagan Europe. The question is: why? What was its purpose that Moloch should be worshipped thus in his many names?
One theory is that child sacrifice was a sacramental device used to kill what we used to call “God” Himself. Moloch's problem was how to get everyone to belong to him and to no other. His answer was to arrange a radical crossing over, an extreme commitment, a journey beyond the pale so shocking that to embark upon it was to go beyond point of no return. There was no going back to God after that. And once you had offered your child to Moloch there was no point refusing him anything else. Killing your own child – just as acquiescing to killing the Jews was to the German public — was a form of enlistment by complicity. It is the last and most decisive step in the extinction of freedom. Though apparently practiced upon the child the real target of abasement is the mother. And by extension it is all of us. That is the shame the conservative pundits felt. Not the shame of sexual guilt. It is the shame of having gone along. By consenting to be an accomplice in the destruction of her own child she binds herself mystically to the doctrine of Moloch. “You are nothing but meat. So take this child and eat. Do this in memory of you.” |
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Check out this history of our modern day Mengele .
1972, International Planned Parenthood Federation was one of two groups partnering with the country of Bangladesh to bring Dr. Harvey Karman and a small team of “abortion experts,” which included two IPPF doctors, to the newly formed country to commit abortions and train native doctors and paramedics how to commit them.
Abortion was Karman's “consuming passion,” according to Salon, which acknowledged Karman wasn't really any sort of doctor whatsoever but had simply “added a Ph.D. to his name, though his degree came from a dubious Swiss diploma mill.” Karman was, in fact, a convicted felon, having served 2-1/2 years in prison – until pardoned by then Gov. Jerry Brown – for killing a mother in 1955 while attempting to illegally abort her in a hotel room with a nutcracker. The Bangladesh incident was over 40 years ago, less than one year before the Supreme Court would make abortion legal throughout the U.S. But even then the mainstream media was in the tank for abortion. You would never know by the Los Angeles Times' glowing April 5, 1972, report that Karman's experimental use on Bangladeshi rape victims of his new late-term abortion contraption, called the “super coil,” was a disaster: Essentially, the Karman method, which has gained wide acceptance internationally, permits abortions of pregnancies up to the seventh month – or later – without the use of either anesthetics or standard metal surgical instruments…. In advanced pregnancies up to the seventh month, Karman inserts one or more small, equally simplified plastic coils into the uterus. When exposed to moisture, the coils expand, inducing a miscarriage within 10-20 hours…. That was the spin. Here's what the super coil actually was, explained in the grand jury report on Kermit Gosnell, who I'll get to in a minute, taken from testimony by Dr. Randy Hutchins, who once worked for Gosnell: [T]here was a device that he and a psychologist [Karman] were working on that was supposed to be plastic – basically plastic razors that were formed into a ball. All right. They were coated into a gel, so that they would remain closed. These would be inserted into the woman's uterus. And after several hours of body temperature, it would then – the gel would melt and these 97 things would spring open, supposedly cutting up the fetus, and the fetus would be expelled. The problem was that they never tested it. They didn't test it on any animals. They never did any – any – any other human trials. This was not something that was sanctioned by the FDA. This was just something that he decided – he and this guy decided they were going to use on these women. What women? On Mother's Day 1972 Karman followed up his Bangladesh experiment in America, with the help of Kermit Gosnell . On Mother's Day weekend in 1972, Karman, other activists, and 15 women in their second trimester of pregnancy boarded a bus in Chicago and headed for Philadelphia, where Gosnell had agreed to give them super-coil abortions at his clinic, then at 133 S. 36th St. The women, who were poor, had been unable to get abortions in Chicago or New York. Gosnell's super-coil abortions – filmed and later shown on a New York City educational-TV program, thanks to Karman – turned out badly. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Philadelphia Department of Public Health subsequently did an investigation that detailed serious complications suffered by nine of the 15 women, including one who needed a hysterectomy. The complications included a punctured uterus, hemorrhage, infections, and retained fetal remains. The CDC researchers recommended strict controls on any future testing of the device – the beginning of “increasing regulations on the development of reproductive technologies,” Tunc wrote. Karman spent two years in court battles in Philadelphia. He was convicted of practicing medicine without a license, but a Common Pleas Court judge overturned the conviction in 1974, saying then-District Attorney Arlen Specter had failed to show which women Karman had treated. Gosnell – who testified that Karman had done an “innocuous” part of the procedures but not fetal extractions – was not charged with anything. Also read this October 12, 1972, Gettysburg Times account. I contacted WNET, the public television station in New York that filmed what came to be known as the Mother's Day Massacre. I'd love to see that archived program. I will certainly alert readers if I get a response. Bottom line: Planned Parenthood was perfectly willing to treat impoverished women of color as guinea pigs for an experimental late-term abortion gadget, no different than Kermit Gosnell at the time. (All of Gosnell's super-coil patients were black and poor.) I wrote in my title that Planned Parenthood was separated by one degree from Gosnell. Actually, not. And yet he remained a licensed doctor eligible to perform this legal butchery . Nothing else needs to be said. The nation was sold on the narrative that legal abortion was the safe alternative to the coat hanger days. I see no difference. |
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But tom, ensuring safety in the abortionist's office is a "phony concern," and any law that recognizes the humanity of the fetus or restricts abortion in any way is just another way to "punish women."
In fact, it's the pro-life crowd's fault that a butcher like Gosnell could have any patients at all because hey, medical standards make abortion more expensive. But there's no money in abortion, right? Maybe Eric Holder would know. Heck, you can even lose your medical license and still perform abortions, which as we know rarely result in live births. Well, the abortion absolutists should be ASHAMED. Gosnell Worker: Toilets Backed Up With Body Parts From Abortions |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Unfortunately, freedom comes with a dilemma. The dilemma taking the form of a question. Which 'gods' are we prepared to prostrate ourselves before? The materialistic 'god' or perhaps some higher entity? Perhaps on the other hand, someone would only do this type of thing because they are worshiping something other than materialism. We will continue to fail because, as with the author of the article, we are free to choose some arbitrary outlook as a possible explanation for the problem. This is the beauty of freedom on this type of scale. We are never burdened by the consequences of our decisions. |
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Moloch does not have a problem. We have the problem
Perhaps on the other hand, someone would only do this type of thing because they are worshiping something other than materialism.
God does not demand that we sacrifice our children for God ;instead God's son was sacrficed for us . |
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If you want to get all religious over this, it is clear; Satan, as always, has found a way to slaughter the innocents and it is easy because the logic is simple. Just get someone to think the solution is all about me, that god that has replaced God. This is the Me generation, they worship themselves and have that three headed god, Me, Myself and I and governments have been stupid enough to listen to them, let me restate that, politicians have been stupid enough to listen to them. It is time we rejected the politics of stupidity
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