[NeedKarma]

go on living in fear Tom

It is their raison d'être.

[tomder55]

And yours is to troll

[excon]

Hello again,

Romney, ungracious in defeat, slinks away. He didn't lose. The takers did him in. Sounds like OUR snivelers...

The good news is, that we'll NEVER hear from him again.

excon

[speechlesstx]

no it's just business as usual and someone is going to have to get used to it. There will be must posturing, much chest beating, and many will say we did our best, but it was a bridge too far

Yes, complete inconsistency from American liberals is business as usual. From crowing "We are NOT going to end Medicare " to saying they ARE going to end Medicare 5 posts later is even quicker than usual.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Get a grip. I thought you UNDERSTOOD what I said.. IF I said Medicare, I meant Obamacare. The point I was making is that Obamacare IS unwieldy and needs reform. I suggested single payer. We'd save a bunch...

Carry on.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Get a grip. I thought you UNDERSTOOD what I said.. IF I said Medicare, I meant Obamacare. The point I was making is that Obamacare IS unweildly and needs reform. I suggested single payer. We'd save a bunch...

Carry on.

excon

I have a grip, freedom is the best thing about this country. I'd like to keep it.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

freedom is the best thing about this country. I'd like to keep it

Hey, I'm into freedom too. But NOT unfettered capitalism.. That'll bankrupt us. So, if it's a choice between curbing freedom for SOME, and bankrupting us, I'll take door number #1.

Look. It would be FINE with me if the health care industry FIXED its own problems. That should ALWAYS be the first alternative... But, if they DON'T, the nation should. What? We should be held hostage to them?? Not in MY world.

Excon

[talaniman]

Why is this a big election win? Becaue you guy just can't holler b1tch and moan any more. You have to help govern now and move us forward. So stop whining about cheating, voter fraud, or the zombies are coming, and get to work!

Your way or the highway has been rejected, your agenda rejected, and you will be rejected again if go back to the plan that wa rejected before!

Twinkie any one?

[smoothy]

To OweBama compromise is doing it his way... or not at all.

[tomder55]

The funny thing is that he blames Bush rates and yet he will keep 98% of the Bush rates in place.

[paraclete]

I don't know why you don't get a different plan rather than referencing Bush all the time, let the Bush rates expire and set a new set of permanent rates, the top rate just a little lower than the old rate and the middle rates restructured. Then the argument goes away and you can move on. You should also build sunset clauses into programs so it it doesn't get done it expires. What was it you said in the GFC, shovel ready, if it isn't shovel ready, stop shilly shallying, don't approve it, don't even consider it until it is

[tomder55]

let the Bush rates expire

You mean institute the Obama tax increases.

You should also build sunset clauses into programs so it it doesn't get done it expires

Absolutely . Let Congress debate renewal of any program. It would keep them busy and they wouldn't have time for more mischief.

[paraclete]

You don't get it Tom, to get out of your delimma there must be higher taxes, but they don't need to be as high as they have been historically, after all your economy has expanded since then. What is wrong over there is there is too much talk and not enough action, that is why you take away the opportunity for debate, you have the debate once, you set the agenda and the time limit and either you get on with it or you don't. The Bush era tax cuts are an example, They should have made a change and left the issue beyond debate. If someone wants change then they debate that on its own merits, that is democracy.

You see Tom I live in a place where we do something and it is done. If we want change either it gets done or it doesn't, but there is certainty. The system isn't perfect and we make mistakes but we get on with it. The government of the day either has the numbers or it doesn't. We have lived with the situation you have for a long time, but it hasn't stopped progress because there is an ability to compromise. Tax is dealt with as part of a budget, if the budget isn't passed, the government falls and is replaced

[dontknownuthin]

Half the population did not want him to be president and with good reason. Our emperor is all hyperbole.. our emperor has no clothes. He is so over his head, he doesn't know what to do.

We now have a national policy, during war and the worst economic disaster since the great depression, in which our highest priorities are to support abortion and sodomy. People can do what they want privately and I won 't interfere, but honestly - those are not my top priorities for the country.

When the out of touch democrats get done with their last verse of Kumbaya, they are going to wonder where their formerly decent health care benefits and jobs went, what happened to Isreal, why we still have Guantanamo, why we are still in Afghanistan without an end game or strategy, why the President still hasn't answered for Benghazi and why our federal, state and local governments are all bankrupt. Let's put giant Obama pictures in every town square, fawn over how lovely his wife and daughters are, talk about the great wonder of the freedoms he is removing from beneath our feet on a daily basis, and in four years... we can still blame it on Bush, who by then will have been retired for 8 years.

[paraclete]

I think you need to move on, half the population didn't want change, they didn't want Romney and they outnumbered those who thought otherwise or at least were concerned enough to vote

You ask a lot of good questions, why are you still in Afghanistan, why are any of us in Afghanistan, ego, treaties, obligations. Israel can look after itself, Benghazi was snaffu, get over it and yes, your nation is bankrupt because of Bush era policies, and is likely to remain so. Bush's legacy is disaster, and until his supporters accept that you will not move on.

There is no doubt your nation has been on the slippery slope for a long time, Obama is not going to change that because it is outside his ability to rapidly reverse disaster. All any government can do is set up and support an environment where business has confidence and will invest in the future.That point has not yet arrived. Zero interest rates do not give capital confidence, it will go where it can get a return

[tomder55]

I think you need to move on, half the population didn't want change, they didn't want Romney and they outnumbered those who thought otherwise or at least were concerned enough to vote

You ask a lot of good questions, why are you still in Afghanistan, why are any of us in Afghanistan, ego, treaties, obligations. Israel can look after itself, Benghazi was snaffu, get over it and yes, your nation is bankrupt because of Bush era policies, and is likely to remain so. Bush's legacy is disaster, and until his supporters accept that you will not move on.

There is no doubt your nation has been on the slippery slope for a long time, Obama is not going to change that because it is outside his ability to rapidly reverse disaster. All any government can do is set up and support an environment where business has confidence and will invest in the future.That point has not yet arrived. Zero interest rates do not give capital confidence, it will go where it can get a return

You tell us to move on and in the same positng cling to that nonsense that all our difficulties result from Bush policies .

The Bush era tax cuts are an example, They should have made a change and left the issue beyond debate.

Agreed ;they should've been made permanent a long time ago. The expiration was part of the process of compromise that the Dems claim doesn't happen. The marginal rates are not as significant as the fact that our tax code sucks and is beyond belief cumbersome. The only fix that makes sense is not punitive tinkering on the margins to satisfy the campaign promises of a demagogue . The fix is extending them until a bipartisan tax code overhaul can be negotiated .

[paraclete]

So change it, you have the numbers in the house, change it. You know you can't, no matter how hard you try because the guy who put it in place couldn't do the Job. Time to move on, time for a different play. You have to get to the point of finding what is acceptable to both sides, a little trim here, a little trim there. These are different days, just as the twenty-first century is different to the eighteenth. No one in this century would set up a nation the way yours is set up, we are more enlightened, in fact more educated. It is time to realise you have more to lose than you have to gain by playing games

[tomder55]

so change it, you have the numbers in the house, change it. You know you can't, no matter how hard you try because the guy who put it in place couldn't do the Job. Time to move on, time for a different play. You have to get to the point of finding what is acceptable to both sides, a little trim here, a little trim there. These are different days, just as the twenty-first century is different to the eighteenth. No one in this century would set up a nation the way yours is set up, we are more enlightened, in fact more educated. It is time to realise you have more to lose than you have to gain by playing games

Woodward's book explains that Speaker Bonehead and Obama had a deal ;and at the 11th hr. The President threw in a monkey wrench by adding "additional revenues " on the table so he could report to his base that he screwed the rich .
Then Woodward goes on to document that this so called ' fiscal cliff ' we are approaching that includes 'sequestration' was again engineered out of the White House.
Yes we should've had a budget. The House of Reps have done their job ,passing budget after budget that then stalls on the Harry Reid shelf . Meanwhile time after time ;the Senate voted down the President's budget proposals. Had they passed even one of them then a Conference Committee could've been created for the House and the Senate to hash out a deal.
The stall was the fault of the Dems who used it to create a campaign position that the rich should be screwed . It is classic Alinsky . Isolate and 'demonize ' an 'enemy' . It worked . The President was reelected ;Reid's majority was retained . Does that mean that the people voted for change or status quo ? With the House Republicans retaining a large majority in the House I maintain that the people still want a strong check on Dem excesses. They saw what havoc the Dems can do with complete control of the Federal Government in 2009/10 .

[paraclete]

Oh yeah they voted for health reform.Who did that cause chaos for, the insurance companies? Vested interests, you pay too much attention to them, just as you pay too much attention to your rich capitalists. You think bailing the country out of depression is havoc, cry havoc, let loose the dogs of war, that is something Obama didn't do

[tomder55]

Bailing out the country ? No ,they bailed out the very 'capitalists ' you complain about instead of letting them suffer the consequences of their decisions.