[Wondergirl]

Romney is being groomed for the debates. Wonder if they will become his saving grace.

[smoothy]

Romney is being groomed for the debates. Wonder if they will become his saving grace.

Romeny is a smart man... he doesn't need a speech writer to program a teleprompter to tell him what to say.

Obama doesn't do well without a teleprompter... and has been known to put his foot in his mouth in such cases... The Joe the Plumber incident being just one.

[tomder55]

I don't know the outcome... but I'm sure there won't be a landslide one way or the other . The pollsters are trying to say that the modest bump the President got after the convention will be enough to cover the Prez because there are not that many undecided . But if the Prez gets a couple more economic reports like he got Friday..?

[paraclete]

Tom

What is the matter with you guys, you got a report on employment that says there is growth and that Obama is doing as well coming out of a recession as others have done and you still whine about how it isn't enough. Tell that to your job creators who are hanging on to their money.

[tomder55]

This is the worse 'recovery ' in the post-WWII era . The employment numbers are a deceptive joke . 4 times as many people left the work force than found jobs last month. The unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for work. If the same # of people were in the work force as were in when the recession started ,the unemployment rate would be over 11% . That is what we get for 31/2 years and over a $ trillion in wasted stimulus spending .

Your populace would not call that a good job .Why do you call it a good job here ? NOBODY here thinks the employment report was positive . The only thing in his favor is no matter what he does. it's Bush's fault in the minds of the Obots .

[smoothy]

Tom

What is the matter with you guys, you got a report on employment that says there is growth and that Obama is doing as well coming out of a recession as others have done and you still whine about how it isn't enough. Tell that to your job creators who are hanging on to their money.

No we didn't... the numbers of people needing work as they graduate and reach adulthood GREW many times that, plus it did not account for the number of actual people with a job DECREASING... so even without that contraction... its still really a negative number not a positive one... All those numbers can be Googled on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.

The number quoted by Obama is a statistically fudged number... it doesn't reflect the ACTUAL number of unemployed... only those who actually still qualify for unemployment benefits...

Recent grads without work... don't qualify... those who have exhausted their benefits don't qualify, Independent contractors and everyone else that self employed that don't have jobs don't count... that's why the number Obama used is essentially a worthless number.

[excon]

But if the Prez gets a couple more economic reports like he got Friday ...............????????????

Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... The Friday job numbers SUCKED and Obama's popularity went UP... The economy has already been discounted by the electorate.. It's about OTHER stuff right now... I don't know what.

Ok, yes I do. It's about the competence of the Romney/Ryan ticket... He's really blowing it.. On Sunday he said he LIKED the good parts of Obamacare and is going to KEEP them... On Sunday night, the campaign said Romney didn't know what he was talking about... On Friday, Ryan said he believed the states had the right to make medical marijuana LEGAL. On Saturday, the campaign said Ryan didn't know what he was talking about...

So, I'll bet Republicans, along with the rest of us, wonder exactly what the Romney/Ryan ticket believes... In my view, THAT, and that alone is what's making Obama's numbers go UP, and it's getting WORSE every day.

Obama in a landslide...

excon

[paraclete]

this is the worse 'recovery ' in the post-WWII era . The employment numbers are a deceptive joke . 4 times as many people left the work force than found jobs last month. The unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for work. If the same # of people were in the work force as were in when the recession started ,the the unemployment rate would be over 11% . That is what we get for 31/2 years and over a $ trillion in wasted stimulus spending .

Your populace would not call that a good job .Why do you call it a good job here ? NOBODY here thinks the employment report was positive . The only thing in his favor is no matter what he does., it's Bush's fault in the minds of the Obots .

Tom there are some fundamentals here you are in deniel about, growth in employment has nothing to do with unemployment persee, two different things. Your employers exported the jobs to China, therefore recovery will be slow because lots of that stimulus money actually goes to pay for imports so what you have been saying is that there are less people employed now than there used to be.That might be so for a number of reasons but unlikely that the OBama policies caused it.The statistics show that the number of discouraged workers has decreased in the past year. They also show your manufacturing industries are letting the side down, so the tax cuts as an incentive to increasing employment hasn't worked, however employment in fast food has increased so you can look forward to a junk food led recovery

You want to say that the US performance wouldn't be acceptable here, but we went through this twenty years ago and are now on the other side. We have continual reports of layoffs and companies folding, but no one has got up the government and said you are lying about the statistics. We acknowledge that recovery takes time and things change, we adapt and we don't take away unemployment benefits while we do it

[talaniman]

Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks so they can make the other half look bad, so they can take over government again and give the new president and all their donors trillions more cash.

Our recession was over a few years ago actually. Its big business holding down the economy waiting for the rest of the loot dragging down the economy.

Don't worry its almost over.

[paraclete]

What is almost over Tal? You drill down in your statistics and you find, surprise, surprise, unemployment is highest among the lesser educated, the blacks, and the hispanics. What does this tell us? The cannon fodder industries that used to employ these people are no longer there. Whatever recovery is to be made has been made, now you need new industries to employ those who haven't got a job and you need them spread all over the country, fat chance. You might as well reinstitute conscription and put the army to work on community projects, that would clean up the unemployment statistics, because what's going to happen when those troops come home from Afghanistan, you will get a bounce in unemployment

[tomder55]

Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines

Yeah ! Why doesn't the Senate do it's job ?

Our recession was over a few years ago actually.

True and we should've had a V recovery instead of the flat recovery we are seeing (threatening to go into double dip ala FDR's failed policies ) .

Now yesterday ,foreign policy enters the arena with our Ambassador to Libya being butchered by the people we helped liberate ;our embassy in Cairo attacked ,the flag shredded ,and the State Dept apologizing to the murderous jihadists on the anniversary of 9-11 . This President's conversion to Jimmy Carter redux complete.

[paraclete]

Ok now you have an excuse for a war on islam or arabs or something, will it start in Syria or be confined to those misguided people in Libya or Egypt who just want to think what they think and do what they do, not freedom by american standards. But then we can't all be perfect can we? OH ! We love shock an awe let's reduce Cairo to rubble, Tripoli to rubble, oh I forgot you have already done that, never mind there is always Bengazi, Demascus will be next, Because they have WMD don't you know

[tomder55]

I suppose Red Julia would also adopt an appeaser policy too if your ambassador was murdered .

[paraclete]

No I don't expect she would, however I can't see us razing a city or two, gunboat diplomacy isn't our sTyle. What has happened is regretable, deplorable, despicable, however when you sup with the devil, and make no mistake, I consider islam the devil, you are apt to get burned

[excon]

Yeah ! Why doesn't the Senate do it's job ?

Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

Excon

You know even Democrats have complained about Obama's lack of leadership. Leading from behind isn't being a leader.

"Gaps" in President Obama's leadership contributed to the collapse of a "grand bargain" on spending and debt last year, with the president failing to cultivate congressional relationships that may have helped him break through Republican opposition, author Bob Woodward told ABC News' Diane Sawyer.

Woodward's reporting in his new book, "The Price of Politics," reveals a president whom he said lacked the "stamina" in turning personal relationships with congressional leaders into action the way some of his predecessors have done.

"President Clinton, President Reagan. And if you look at them, you can criticize them for lots of things. They by and large worked their will," Woodward told Sawyer."On this, President Obama did not."

"Now, some people are going to say he was fighting a brick wall, the Republicans in the House and the Republicans in Congress. Others will say it's the president's job to figure out how to tear down that brick wall. In this case, he did not."

Not only did he fail on this collapse but as I've said many times lately he started the war...

Woodward places particular blame for the failure to reach a deal with Obama, writing that the seeds of discord were planted early in his administration. He displayed "two sides" of his personality in early meetings with congressional leaders, Woodward said.

"There's this divided-man quality to President Obama always. Initially he meets with the congressional leaders, he says you know, 'We're going to be accommodating, we're going to listen, we're going to talk, we're going to compromise," Woodward said.

"But then they -- Republicans ask some questions and challenge him a little bit and he says, 'Look I won. I'm in charge here,' " Woodward continued. "And the Republicans feel totally isolated and ostracized. And this was the beginning of a war."

I say it's more than two sides to Obama, the man wants to be king.

[excon]

I say it's more than two sides to Obama, the man wants to be king.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's shown leadership, and I've not been shy about saying that... However, there is one reason to vote for Obama. In my view, Roe v Wade is just one right wing Supreme Court Justice from being overturned...

A vote for Obama would PREVENT that, of course. The king in a landslide..

excon

[NeedKarma]

Obama's lack of leadership

the man wants to be king.

So which one is it?

The righty's will complain no matter what he does so it just becomes background white noise after a while.

[smoothy]

Hello again, tom:

Obstructionism, of course.... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..

excon

Harry Ried is the true obstructionist... thinking he is a Mini-Emporor and deciding what will and what won't get seen by anyone else in the Senate...

Face up to the reality... how did someone who's never had a real job and was poor when he first got elected get to be one of the richest men in Washington on the pay of a senator?

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's shown leadership, and I've not been shy about saying that... However, there is one reason to vote for Obama. In my view, Roe v Wade is just one right wing Supreme Court Justice from being overturned...

A vote for Obama would PREVENT that, of course. The king in a landslide..

excon

I'm not a one issue person like you and the Dems at their abortionpalooza in Charlotte. Personally I don't see a snowball's chance in hell that Roe will ever be overturned. It's a done deal so why worry about it?

I mean seriously ex, Germany is telling the US our debt levels are too high. The Senate (noted over and over) hasn't even BOTHERED with coming up with a budget in over three years. We just topped a trillion dollar deficit for the fourth time. Unemployment has been over 8 percent forever and the religionists of perpetual outrage are in a fury again.

Why are all your marbles on abortion? Are you kidding me?