[tomder55]

in fact given their circumstance if they were wiped out it would be a blessing to them.

nonsense their circumstances are of their own making .The gulags ,the starvation ,are all self imposed by the Kim regime. A blessing would be to take the regime out .

They know that if they push hard enough you will buy them off with food and fuel, the two things they don't have.

Successive US administrations think that they can rationally engage with the cretons in control. I will give kudos to the Obots if they back out of the Leap Day deal.

Capitalism doesn't work, what does capitalistic investment mean to them, nothing. They have probably seen Mcdonalds and KFC in Beijing and want none of it.

It has done wonders for the South Korean . How can you say that when the ruling class has participated in all the luxuries that capitalism affords ?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...171328622.html
The people have not been given that choice.

do you resent their enterprise in doing some testing for Iran although Iran can't be getting much out of it. I don't get you guys, you back someone into a corner and complain if they look like they will fight their way out. It is the US that is the bully here

More nonsense . We have attempted to deal with both Kim Jung mentally Il and little Kim .In both cases they have chosen the path they will take. Their option is to deal faithfully with the west and pull their nation out of it's dire circumstances ;or get the pittance that the Iranians give them for their fire crackers. It is they that chose the path of the rogue nation that defied the civilized world . But you can't tell me that is what their people would choose.

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We have attempted to deal with both Kim Jung mentally Il and lil Kim .In both cases they have chosen the path they will take. Their option is to deal faithfully with the west and pull their nation out of it's dire circumstances ;or get the pittance that the Iranians give them for their fire crackers. It is they that chose the path of the rogue nation that defied the civilized world . But you can't tell me that is what their people would choose.

It is you who speak nonsense Tom. These people have been programmed. They have chosen, not the way you would, but they need to be deprogrammed to accept anything else. They know nothing of the outside world other than it is different. They cannot conceive of the luxuries enjoyed by a few. They cannot deal with something they see as an all consuming monster, anyway the Iranians will soon be out of the picture, another american phantasy torn down.

Don't you see how you are manipulated by your political machine which always has to have an enemy to fight, are you really any better off than the North Koreans? I wonder how you would think if your next meal depended on it. You will not sacrifice american lives to free the North Koreans, your generosity and your rhetoric does not extend that far. We saw at the end of WWII how willing you were to sacrifice american lives, you still have the same solution. The fact is you don't need to deal with the North Koreans, you chose to have a one way dialogue with them, You did not have the same dialogue with China or India when they developed nuclear weapons, in fact you are willing to supply uranium to India

I abhore your double standards, does BO give Kim a friendly call?