[tomder55]

A primary reason Bush and Cheney succeeded in their radical erosion of core liberties is because they focused their assault on non citizens with foreign sounding names

During World War II, the Court unanimously upheld the power of the President to order to trial before a military tribunal German saboteurs captured within this Country.Chief Justice Stone said that Enemy combatants who without uniforms come secretly through the lines during time of war, for the purpose of committing hostile acts, are not entitled to the status of prisoners of war but are unlawful combatants punishable by military tribunals.

[Catsmine]

Since the beginning, I wondered why Bush turned Americas security apparatus inward against US, instead of outward against the terrorists, but he did. You yawned... Now Obama is doing it again

Hi, Ex

Where did you get the idea Bush started spying on Americans? Did you ever hear of Joe McCarthy in history class? Or the Japanese Internment Camps? Von Papen?

These "slips" about not giving Miranda warnings to U.S. citizens I too find ominous, but they're from "the Messiah's" people so you libs should be creaming your jeans because "the fundamental transformation of America" is underway. Enjoy it while it lasts, I just hope November isn't too late.

[excon]

Where did you get the idea Bush started spying on Americans? Did you ever hear of Joe McCarthy in history class?

Hello again, Cats:

Joe McCarthy is a perfect example of a police state in action. There's couple of major differences between him and Bush, though. First, and foremost, is that McCarthy was shut down flatter than a pancake when people realized that "the emperor wore no clothes". Second, the spying McCarty encouraged was people spying on other people. Bush's program, on the other hand, is the entire government spying apparatus spying on US.

I'd say those differences are BIG. You probably wouldn't.

excon

[speechlesstx]

And here I thought Obama had come to "epancimate" us from all that, but it looks like you guys misunderestimated him.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know. Here we are discussing truly MONUMENTAL issues, and you bring up a misspoken word, as though that, somehow, is evidence that your side is right.

I misspeak on occasion. Yet, I'm not wrong.

excon

[Catsmine]

Joe McCarthy is a perfect example of a police state in action. There's couple of major differences between him and Bush, though. First, and foremost, is that McCarthy was shut down flatter than a pancake when people realized that "the emperor wore no clothes". Second, the spying McCarty encouraged was people spying on other people. Bush's program, on the other hand, is the entire government spying apparatus spying on US.

How long did it take to stop McCarthy, fifteen years? We're on 9 years since the Twin Towers fell. As for the government doing it, that's part and parcel of this whole "Nanny State" you've been extolling with it's "cradle to the grave" taking care of people. Not so much fun when the Nanny does something you don't like, is it?

[tomder55]

You ever hear of the Verona Project? Turns out ole Joe wasn't so wrong after all.

[speechlesstx]

I dunno. Here we are discussing truly MONUMENTAL issues, and you bring up a misspoken word, as though that, somehow, is evidence that your side is right.

Hey, I didn't vote for this dufus in charge of defending our constitution.

P.S. I agreed with you early on about reforming Miranda, doesn't that put us on the same side?

[speechlesstx]

You ever hear of the Verona Project ? . Turns out ole Joe wasn't so wrong after all.

Shhh, you'll ruin one of their favorite rants.