[tomder55]

PS> There ARE going to be investigations, now. Finally, Holder has come to his senses and he knows that he can't avoid it anymore.

The political motives behind Holder's thinking is the appeasing of the Move on /Code Pinkos wing of the party. They have not been happy since Obama in some ways is beginning to realize that he cannot conduct foreign policy (besides rhetorically ) much different then President Bush did .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

So, Holder has gone rogue, huh? Somehow, I doubt it. There ARE a few Attorney's General who actually follow the law. Imagine that?

excon

[tomder55]

Here is justice Holder style:

Binyam Mohammed: jihadist plotting mass-murders against American cities -- released outright.

Laith Qazali: abduction/murder of 5 U.S. soldiers in Karbala -- released outright.

5 Iranian IRGC operatives coordinating Iraqi terrorist operations that have killed HUNDREDS of U.S. forces in Iraq since 2003 -- released outright.

Cheney trying to do his job defending the country . Under investigation

[excon]

here is justice Holder style:

Binyam Mohammed: jihadist plotting mass-murders against American cities -- released outright.

Laith Qazali: abduction/murder of 5 U.S. soldiers in Karbala -- released outright.

Cheney trying to do his job defending the country . under investigation

Hello again, tom:

Frankly, it's justice AMERICAN style, and it's about time we got back to it. I know you don't like it. Bummer!

Binyam Mohammed - TORTURED! Maybe he could have been convicted if vice didn't do that.

Laith Qazali - TORTURED!! Maybe he could have been convicted if the dufus didn't do that.

Cheney - TORTURER, and crook extraordinair.

Dufus - well he's just a dufus.

excon

[tomder55]

Another one . Charges dropped even after the DOJ won the case ,against New Black Panther operatives who were caught on videotape intimidating anti-Obama voters . Maybe they were tortured also ?

[tomder55]

Laith Qazali was released after extensive negotiations with the Asaib al-Haq terror network . He negotiated with terrorists .

As far as Binyam Mohammed I have heard his claims about torture while in Morocco and of rough treatment while detained in Pakistan. I have seen nothing that collaborates his claims . In either case the US was not involved .

I have no doubt that every detainee in US possession is shouting "torture " as loud as they can in hopes that an ACLU lawyer takes up their cause.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I don't know the details of these cases, but I suspect there was something WRONG with their convictions... Their rights were violated, and maybe they WERE tortured.

Contrary to YOU, I've HAD some experience with the justice system, and the people who populate it. IF you're suggesting that our American justice system NOW wants to release terrorists just because, I'd say you're actually quite bonkers.

You don't like the Constitution. That's been clear for years. But, as long as you live in this country, that's what we're going to go by from now on. I know, bummer, huh? There's a NEW sheriff in town.

excon

[tomder55]

I'm a big fan of the Constitution . Article 2 Sec 2 of it is still valid... no ?

[s_cianci]

Hello s:

Even if the law says they should???? Okee doakee, then.

excon

Well, if the law says they should then it's a bad law and ought to be changed.

[excon]

Well, if the law says they should then it's a bad law and ought to be changed.

Hello s:

Quite a reasonable response. The rightwingers here, however, are apparently arguing that the president has power that exceeds Constitutional limits. Otherwise, why would tom refer me to the part of the Constitution that says the pres is Commander in chief?

He wouldn't be doing that in order to tell us that the pres can pretty much do what he wants, would he?? I think that's exactly what he's saying. Of course, he's exactly WRONG!

excon

[speechlesstx]

another one . charges dropped even after the DOJ won the case ,against New Black Panther operatives who were caught on videotape intimidating anti-Obama voters . maybe they were tortured also ?

What's even more outrageous in the Black Panthers case is DOJ had already won the case by a default judgment because the defendants didn't want to face discovery. A number of Senators have sent a letter to the IG (and we know how IG's are treated in this administration) at Justice wanting to know why they would drop a case -against the wishes of career lawyers there - that was effectively won. A case referred to by 60's civil rights activist Bartle Bull as “the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my life in political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960s.”

[speechlesstx]

Hmm, I wonder if this is the same CIA program to capture or kill bin Laden the NY Times reported on back in 2002? If so, how can the Democrats whine about this 'secret' program?

Hat tip to Hotair

[tomder55]

Otherwise, why would tom refer me to the part of the Constitution that says the pres is Commander in chief?

The only national security authority the consititution gives Congress is the power of the purse string. They leveraged that into greater power than they are entitled (as Federalist #73 warned against ) . This erosion of executive powers often goes unchallenged but at times of war it has frequently happened that Presidents have reasserted their clear mandate . When Democrats like Wilson and Roosevelt do it they are doing what is necessary to win wars. But when Republicans do it they are accused of creating an imperial Presidency.

There is nothing in the 1947 National Security Act that has been violated . As ususal the wording of the law is at best vague .It certainly doesn't specify at what point a contemplated plan is developed enough to require informing Congress.
And don't say there aren't loose lips in position of responsibility in Congress. Pat Lehey had to be removed from the Senate Intel committee for being a blabber mouth. Sen Feinstein recently disclosed to the world we were flying predator missions from bases inside Pakistan to attack Pakistani Taliban in Pakistani territory .
It is clearly a case in point here that after 8 years the details of whatever plan was being crafted was not going to be executed. Therefore the way I read the language of the law there was no requirement to report it to Congress.

[excon]

If so, how can the Democrats whine about this 'secret' program?

Hello again, Steve:

There's no whining about the program. There's whining about the refusal to follow the law..

Does that sound familiar to a conservative like yourself?? Let me see if I can help. It's not the blow job, it the lies.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

There's no whining about the program. There's whining about the refusal to follow the law..

Does that sound familiar to a conservative like yourself??? Lemme see if I can help. It's not the blow job, it the lies.

And in this case the whining is the lie. Just as Pelosi lied about she knew, the Democrats are lying now about what they knew. This hasn't been news for 6 1/2 years.